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Well, if the Real/Barça hyper domination of the Spanish Liga continues, on the long run, it will destroy the league as it is undermining its credibility.
Besides, Real, Barça and a few other Spanish big clubs have individual domestic TV rights. Real and Barça have super high TV rights in comparison to the rest of the league. In BB, every team gets an equal share, even tankers.
So there is no need to boycott the league, in practice, Real and Barça games are broadcasted in every corner of the world, you don't get to see the other teams playing between themselves and they don't get money.

No need to explain the 3 games a week stuff, we all have this same constraint and we understand why tanking is attractive and efficient.

About your two next points, it is not about your choices. You are doing what you should logically do. It is the point ! At the moment, the game rewards withdrawing from competition and penalizes pretending or trying to compete. Is it desirable from the point of view of the game masters ?
And it is one thing to save money while trying to stay in the middle of the pack and the extreme tanking strategies that we witness.

Austria II is not different that every other league. You need to improve your team when you are promoted, even at the lower levels of large countries.
Revenues are lower because payrolls are very light, not directly because Austria's game world is small. Let's talk about profit, not revenues.
In small game worlds, the gap is usually large between II and I but at the same time, a team can hang forever in PO waters in II and make a hefty weekly profit which can be used to improve the team.
Don't think that II teams in larger game worlds make bigger profits, they don't.

I hope you don't take this personally, it is really not a witch hunt on tankers, there is no moral judgement, it's only for the sake of the game that members discuss it.
The BB staff is very difficult to wake up on the issue. In the meantime, because of the season's announcement, people arel taking the opportunity to tank now while it is still possible, and when and if a new announcement will warn of changes to come, if they are not implemented immediatly, people will tank and build up on cash before they take effect.

A thought I just had...

I think that if BBs don't do anything about tanking now, it will become so popular that it'll be the only way to win (considering it is the best strategy), so they will eventually have to do something or BB players will start to leave.

yes definately. There are 5 bots now in my league, and me and my league buddy (also only other person forum active) will try to persuade these new teams to stay in BB. I mean 5 teams is not a lot. But if you keep stacking that 5s for a 100 times, it becomes something right? 500 is still not a lot, but in a year, lets say 500 times 12 times this happens? 6000 people. You know where I'm going right? If these players come to look at higher leagues, and see tanking going on, they will leave! We haven't hit 50k guy in a while now, and somehow we need to pursuade them! Tell on facebook or twitter or whatever social site they got! I'm going to sign up for facebook in a few weeks and once I got a lot of friends, I'll persuade them to come here. Mark my words! Tanking is bad and it has to be stopped, or we will never hit 50k people for a while.......

There's no reason to reward a stable roster imo cause this is not realistic. You can see some teams that are assembled from various players win a championship the same year, that happens a lot in France for example where players don't often sign long term contracts. They're in a club for a year or two not more. I can understand the fact that players that have been playing together for a long time are gaining group experience but this doesn't have to be achieved through 5 season with the same roster. Good players easily compensate for that

it will become so popular that it'll be the only way to win (considering it is the best strategy)

Seriously, this get's thrown out as a fact in forums too often now. Can anyone actually show me a team that has successfully come back to divI and instantly win a championship there aswell?
About Estonian tankers. The first one trying out tanking is 3 time Estonian divI winner BC RV (winner of S14-16), he lost to a new champion in S17, decided to tank in S18. He is now sitting in divIII, probably relegating to divIV. He was a great manager, was also running Est national team. Has his motivation taken a hit after all these relegations? Will he ever come back up. That remains to be seen, but tanking has cost him 5 seasons minimum, if he relegates to divIV it's 6 seasons. That's 84 weeks (588 days - thats over 1,5 years!!!).
We also had 2 new tankers in S19, one of them is prolly going to relegate to divIII, the other one has been whining on the forums about his losses in divII. He has spent most of his gained money and his weekly balance is negative. It will be a miracle if he get's back up this season.
We have one tanker this season a past winner aswell. We also have 2 quitters (one got married and quit, the other one failed with economy. All his players got listed and he decided to quit because of it. He was one of the oldest managers in Estonia and could not hold his fort against the newcomers).
So all this hype of tanking being the only good tactic is bogus. It might be a good way to get back on your feet after overspending for a few seasons, but relegation can never be better than staing in your current division (unless you are in a micronation ofcourse).

it will become so popular that it'll be the only way to win (considering it is the best strategy)

Seriously, this get's thrown out as a fact in forums too often now. Can anyone actually show me a team that has successfully come back to divI and instantly win a championship there aswell?

I'm sorry, but you've attempted to use facts and logic in a debate on the internet. You clearly do not understand how this works! ;) It always amazes me just how much people assume that because something is done that it is the only way it can be done.

I'm sure it comes as a shock to you. But there are actually facts in this game. Amazing isn't it.
Unlike so many places in the internet, there are no anonymous posts here.

Tanking is a very important topic to many users at the moment. There's been 416 posts in here to date and many different opinions and suggestions discussed, yet there's only been 1 post from a BB in this time. Considering how important the issue of tanking is (and the fact that you've also identified it as an issue) it would be nice to see some discussion and thoughts from the BBs.

Surely communicating with the users in here on this issue could only benefit you?

Seriously, this get's thrown out as a fact in forums too often now. Can anyone actually show me a team that has successfully come back to divI and instantly win a championship there aswell?

Well said. In the USA, I’ve observed many teams tank, but I have yet to see a single one become more successful than they were prior to tanking - let alone win a championship.

In a game that's all about trade-offs, it's logical that the strategy with the most short-term sacrifice should yield the most long-term success. Tanking is a valid, popular strategy, but it's far from dominant. It worries me that the BBs are concerning themselves with issues like this rather than developing features that would actually make the game more enjoyable (team jerseys, for instance).

While the concerns of DI teams are one thing, don't look at it through only that lens.

I recently saw one team intentionally tank 2 seasons in DV. 4 seasons later they are on the verge of promotion to DII, after making the playoffs in their first year in DIII.

So the notion that the strategy isn't dominant or that effective, simply isn't true particularly in the lower divisions, but it does have limits at the upper.