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A non-supporter that wanted to provide input would still have options - BB-mails, etc. Could also keep the offsite running alongside a fed if there was enough interest.


yeh they could BBmail. but if all the NT stuff like skills tactics are in a private fed how do you expect someone who isnt a supporter to properly contribute?

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
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Yes! This is a major part of my communal approach. Clearly I haven't been clear enough. As a very rough guide as to some of what I'm talking about here is some of what I have in mind if I decide to run and get the job:


Staffing:

Coach (1): The coach is responsible for the following:
1.Tactical choices for all games
2.Overseeing staff and their roles
3.Selection and exclusion of players for the team
4.Liaison with all staff

Assistant Coaches (2): An assistant coach is responsible for the following:
1.Assisting the Coach with tactical options prior to games
2.Assisting the Coach in all other matters

Mentors for 18, 19 and 20 year olds (3): Are responsible for:
1.Regular communications with managers, Australian and non-Australian, regarding their U21 players.
2.Creation of statements (in consultation with PR Manager) for Prospective Players and Current Players.
3.Providing managers of players with links to expected skills sets relevant for their player and age.
4.Providing managers of players with links to Experts for further advice.

Mentor for 21 year olds (3): Are additionally responsible for:
5.Providing advice/guidance for managers on how to prepare their players for NT selection.

Expert: Training (?): Will be responsible for:
a.Assisting managers in managing weekly minutes
b.Providing managers with training information regarding skills
c.Providing information on all things regarding training

Expert: Administration (?): Will be responsible for:
1.Providing managers with information regarding all things BB related other than U21 NT information.( For example, they may assist new managers with the use of the game manual, or provide managers with

Game Reviewers (?): Will be responsible for:
1.Reviewing games played and player performances.
2.Providing the community with a brief analysis of games for discussion.
3.Providing the Coaching staff with community responses regarding games to be considered for next game.

Public Relations Officer (?): Will be responsible for:
a.Providing the community with game results, player performances and brief analysis of games in a tongue-in-cheek tone with the sole purpose of engaging Aussie managers, providing them with some value for having U21 players.
b.Providing the community with upcoming games, the times they are played and possible rosters and roster changes.

Scouts (2): Will be responsible for:
1. Scouting up coming games (team tactics previously employed/player GS history etc)
2. Watching for players that are put onto TL to obtain skill sets etc


It all sounds good, but i do have an issue with the bolded two positions.

You have 1 person teaching managers one part of the game, the training aspect and minute management, and then you have a 2nd person teaching them other parts of the game. To me that seems messy. New managers need a single mentor to look to for information and help.

I just think that the mentoring of new managers isn't an issue for the U21 administration to be worrying about. It would be more beneficial to have its seperate mentoring system.

For instance in my short time on hattrick i noticed they had a list of managers who were willing to provide mentoring for new members, and as new members came along and asked for help they would be assigned a single mentor and they would be taken off the list, only being put back on when they deemed they have enough time to take on a 2nd noob or when they believe the previous noob no longer required their help. This way if you sign up to be a mentor you only have to worry about one other team/manager, thus making it a less strenuous job. Which i view as a better system to maintain than giving 2 or 3 managers the job of trying to mentor all the new managers who ask for help and find that these mentors are overwhelmed and their noobs slip through the cracks.

i may have been rambling for a bit, but oh well

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
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Date: 5/29/2013 2:07:38 AM
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yup!! Beat me in the gf then got kicked!!! I demand AUTOPROMOTION!!!!!

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Date: 5/29/2013 3:48:21 AM
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I agree on the mentoring. I have been thinking we could do something like that based on Wombat Fed. Not just for members but offer a mentor to any local managers keen on help. Regardless of if they are supporter or not. This sort of thing is a community at large issue which will benefit the NT sides but should not be something the managers of those sides should add to things they need to worry about.

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Date: 5/29/2013 5:41:11 AM
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agreed. Ive received alot of positive "mentoring" from this fed, namely mickyster and Kilrtom (Bainsy was also a huge help in my first few seasons via BBmails). This type of help is invaluable, as it allows all members the chance to read and add any advice as you go. The skills and knowledge ive picked up here have changed the way i play this game.

Im all for it, and hope to pay it forward to the newer managers wanting help.

From: Mr J

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Date: 5/29/2013 5:46:56 AM
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Yeah, good points, B-train. I guess by 'experts' I meant that we could have two or three extremely experienced managers who managers could always go to if they couldn't ge the info they needed (providing said managers had volunteered themselves of course). Resident Experts if you like. But, yeah, agree with the mentoring your suggesting. I don't want it to become complicated or confusing and while the model I used as an example suggests a large staff, it is the initial setup that is time-consuming. After that it's just a simple maintenance thing...

Last edited by Mr J at 5/29/2013 6:49:33 AM

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Will coaches from other countries who have players in the Australian Under 21s or in contention to making that team, be allowed to enter such a Federation whether it be off or on site?


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Will coaches from other countries who have players in the Australian Under 21s or in contention to making that team, be allowed to enter such a Federation whether it be off or on site?



A great question and you have no doubt---like myself---considered the ramifications of allowing non-Australian managers access to such information. Given that they would be privy to tactical information it would seem irresponsible to give them access. This of course then means that they will be limited in their communications. My thinking: they should not be given access. I remember when I was helping out as U21 mentor, only aussie managers would respond to bbmails anyway despite repeated requests to respond and at least provide basics. No, I think it would be too risky for a non-Aussie manager to gain access to tactical info that could be used to help his/her country beat ours. :-)

From: whitewind

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Date: 5/29/2013 6:33:33 AM
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all well and good but what happens when these extremely experience managers dont reply to bbmails and seem unapproachable?

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Date: 5/29/2013 6:43:04 AM
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I have 30 bbmails in my inbox.

I am in no state to mentor.

From: Mr J

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I have 30 bbmails in my inbox.

I am in no state to mentor.


Relax, Iwen...it was an example only... :-)

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