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Well, you maybe right, but trust me - I have played pretty good youth competition where (unfortunately) many teams played zone. Thus I know maybe more about attacking against it then defending. We've spent much of your practice playing and improving our counter-zone attack and I know where are the weakest areas of zones. By all means, it depends on how good your attack and good the defense is, but for instance our 4-1 zone offense could beat every 3-2 zone.

The problem with 3-2 defending the corner is actually not when the player has the ball and thinks what to do next (you are right that if it is played slowly he has only a limited number of possibilites to do) - but there are very easy ways to get him open there and then he has nice immediate open shot because his wing defender is on defending the wing on his side and the big man is far away from him. Trust me, shooting from outside is the easiest way how to beat zone defense (not the best!).

2-3 zone in the corner - you maybe right again, but that's what the coach is for and when he knows that his big man is not fast enough to be there on time, he must choose other defense or other defender. But even if there is the best driver against him, there is not much he could do, because he is right in the corner (usually being double-teamed immediatelly) so his options are to shoot or to pass. It is very hard to penetrate on the baseline because there is usually even a bigger man waiting inside the key.

Yeah, zone is now a more complete & complex defense but only when it is being played well. But as my former coach says "zone is a shame of basketball" and I am with him. :-D

69 is 19 less than 88. That is a 23% difference.
Did you see offensive rebounding? 30-7. a 38% difference from 38-1
(and yes..% difference still has a huge gap when figuring the NBA's extra 8 minutes which you alluded to)

I am NOT saying this is the norm ..as I have stated over and over. What I am saying is it capable of happening again? If so, that is not good. It happened in a short amount of time. What about the next 200,000 games? 400,000? Even a perfect storm of stuff shouldn't create this.

Last edited by Burger Chef at 7/29/2009 2:29:30 PM

Having it been played (I am not sure if this is the right way how to say it - and even if it is, it is very weird :-D) 48 minutes, the rebounds would be like 83:32 and then the difference is still bigger than 88:44.

Off. rebounds - 36:8,4 (It is less but not that much and you can see that there definitely were some games in real like the one you are talking about - actually finding this game took me about 3 minutes so I am sure I could find more of them and some of them would be even better to example.)

Of course, it is capable of happening again! In that much games per week I bet it is! But what's wrong with that?

Last edited by PunkFloid at 7/29/2009 2:36:48 PM

i think some games like that are exceptable, because we are running a game based on randomess.

I am pretty sure, that there was in past even games where people get outrebounded pretty hard. If they come pretty less, it is ok in ym eyes especially when there are often games with very different level of competition which you don't see in reality(and when you see it, you sitting in a globetrotter show or the best team put him very less effort after a while).

If newby help sticky is wrong you have to change it,not the game.And Yeah,maybe the coefficients for high levels could be lowered,but this is not related to SB

but many made this decision on such given information, and what sense makes a training which makes players weaker?

Even GS training has it points where it makes sense, and you didn't expect that it helps you for the future.

The solution is to change the newby help sticky,in some countries are different the suggestions for the noobs ;D

but this still doesn't changed it that this skill makes Big men weaker instead of stronger which wasn't in the concept of a game.

Maybe i take a example of a overtrained player in Blocking with old data from Motte, who was overtrained in Blocking. If i reduce it to 1, he will get 90k less salary, and the only effect on the game was 1,4 blocks - which are with a 50% shooting opponent 14ppg and in this take i don't take off reb after blocks into calculation.

This is my main Point, that there is something wrong in it.

Edit: if i reduce Rebounding on a similiar amount for example he will have rebounding 7 and loose around 10 Rebs. Which means you loose ten possesion and your opponent gets ten, so he scores 10 extra points and you loose this.
Skill shouldn't make players bad, and also in RL player are paid for their effectiness on the Court(ok maybe not in NewYork). So you have to tax around it, and rebounds get more value through this change in the high areas ... Blocking still seems to be very useless, even when his blocking numbers raise to 2,5 after the change.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/29/2009 3:14:04 PM

in my last game (13273507) i dont know how but, i got almost twice the rebounds as opponent, it feels like i played against FCP only without so many turnovers.
Dude @ PF position made 4 blocks with respectable SB.
there is one thing what i really dont understand - how my best SG got fouled out in 23min? and my noob backup SG player got only 1 foul in 24min gameplay...

there is one thing what i really dont understand - how my best SG got fouled out in 23min? and my noob backup SG player got only 1 foul in 24min gameplay...

fouling hasn't much to do with player qualitys, i make a case study where the numbers are nearly the same with teams who paly against much stronger teams(clear NT games).

in my last game (13273507) i dont know how but, i got almost twice the rebounds as opponent, it feels like i played against FCP only without so many turnovers.

curious game, too. But you are also much stronger in rebounding, but i believe the luck you had in rebounding, your opponent had in 3pt shooting^^

One of your rival´s PG made 5 fouls in 5 minutes. This could be a world record.

Well it is fine for me because it has to be :) ..hahaha. I can't change it! We just differ on opinion is all.

The dude who got out-rebounded like that is 15-0, in a formidable D2 league and he has PF's and Centers between 45- 86k salaries. The guy he played against, who crushed him on boards, is 6-9 with way less of a roster.
Here is the game again: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/boxscore.aspx?MatchID=13104569

If he would have lost, things would be different, and I would hate to lose because of a perfect storm like this. You don't mind it happening again, but I fear we may see plenty of examples of this stuff coming up.

If you can honestly look me in my BB-eye (here >>>>>>>> X<<<<<<<<<<) and tell me you wouldnt mind if that happened to you..and you lost ...then I will believe you. :)

One of your rival´s PG made 5 fouls in 5 minutes. This could be a world record.

i didnt saw that :D
thats for fouling out my best SG in just 23min gametime :D
just need to check if it is not at last minute, where my opponent fouled me and hit some 3pt.

Last edited by kaprons at 7/29/2009 5:58:05 PM