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36033.42 in reply to 36033.22
Date: 6/22/2008 5:08:51 AM
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if a player is the only option of a skill (i.e passing, rebound..) in a team, he gets a lot of them..
10+ APG of David Delacourt does not mean that he has a great passing skill, that means his passing skill is much higher than his playmates..
game engine first decides if there will be an assist or not, then it decides who will make it happen..



I agree on this one...

based on my experience, i have PG's who have a level (or two) higher on passing and handling than other players, but still, my PG's give about mediocre assists because even though they have high passing skills, my other players can contribute assists as well... resulting in my team having high assist totals, yet my PG's are just contributors... not sole producers, of assists.

in the league i'm participating, my team assists average are high enough for it. with the help of my players passing around the ball, but still, i don't have decent offensive flow rating on my team... that's one mystery still for me.

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36033.43 in reply to 36033.42
Date: 6/22/2008 9:58:59 AM
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I don't see how this proves anything. Players with high passing will obviously produce more assists, regardless of position.

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36033.44 in reply to 36033.43
Date: 6/22/2008 12:46:55 PM
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a radical thought:

i think that offensive flow is most useful in minimizing the number of turnovers (24 second violations especially)

and it it also has hidden attributes to raising the percentage of your shots, independent of assists. a wide open layup path to the basket may be unassissted but it is no doubt good flow. bad flow is alot of shots with 2 seconds on the clock with a hand in your face.

so offensive flow matters... but not in the way people discuss it.

good flow means alot of shots that are open, or at least with an opponent backed off slightly.

bad flow is contested shots and turnovers...


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36033.45 in reply to 36033.44
Date: 6/22/2008 10:07:34 PM
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true

still going back to the question . . . saying it another way as yours

how do we do it to have that flow like of what yor saying.

what do we need to have?


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36033.46 in reply to 36033.45
Date: 6/22/2008 10:55:19 PM
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I think offensive flow is not just passing the ball well, is much more than this.

Remember that this is a basketball simulator and basketball is a TEAM game.

So, IMO, OF is the simulation of team play, like the running of plays (ISOs, cuts to the bkt, pick'n'rolls) and their final result. This means that not just passing is involved but all the off skills of the player(s).

OF can vary because an opponents team is very good at defending your type of offense, or because it can defend a pivotal player in your team to a standstill. It can vary also if your team changes its type of offense and doesn´t adapt to it.

When i first changed my type of offense from base to motion I noticed a drop in my teams offensive prodution but after a few games it started to go up.

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36033.47 in reply to 36033.14
Date: 6/23/2008 9:54:20 AM
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too bad he can't shoot and gets low ratings for his 12k salary.

you mean 'luckely' ?
if he was better at shooting, he'd pass the ball far less

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36033.48 in reply to 36033.47
Date: 6/23/2008 10:26:37 PM
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no, he still shoots too much. i wouldnt take that guard on my team.


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36033.49 in reply to 36033.48
Date: 6/24/2008 3:08:49 AM
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An interesting statement with a name like that...

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36033.50 in reply to 36033.49
Date: 6/24/2008 6:29:30 AM
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An interesting statement with a name like that...

hehe

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36033.51 in reply to 36033.49
Date: 6/24/2008 7:46:38 AM
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what can i say, in real life tragically i can't shoot anymore... too much ultimate frisbee.



in buzzer beater, most of my players shoot way too much, but they make their 3's just often enough to have it be worth it ;)