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56760.42 in reply to 56760.33
Date: 11/26/2008 3:41:18 PM
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Easily explained by a combination of game shape and enthusiasm, I guess.


Explain me then...
As I said the game shape of my players was about the same, enthusiasm should have the same impact @ OD as it has @ ID. And if enthusiasm was a factor then my OD rating should have been way higher at the end of last season, since my enthusiasm was a lot higher back then. But it bumped from inept to average, while the enthusiasm and the players game shape is lower.

I can't believe I can have a better OD rating with 2 proficient OD guards and strong OD, strong ID SF vs 2 prolific minimum C/PFs. In the last engine this has never been the case.

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56760.43 in reply to 56760.42
Date: 11/26/2008 4:35:58 PM
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I can't believe I can have a better OD rating with 2 proficient OD guards and strong OD, strong ID SF vs 2 prolific minimum C/PFs. In the last engine this has never been the case.

What exactly do centers have to do with OD ratings?

You can't compare OD and ID -- that's apples to oranges. If nothing else, OD rating is calculated on a 4 player basis, ID -- on three.

In other news, I have long suspected that SGs do not contribute to OD ratings as expected, since I've historically gotten better results in terms of ratings by moving my good defenders to SF, and fielding random shooters at SG. That of course is not necessarily a good move for winning the game, but that's another story.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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56760.44 in reply to 56760.43
Date: 11/26/2008 5:40:06 PM
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What exactly do centers have to do with OD ratings?


Huh where did I say that? I was comparing my OD ratings with ID ratings, that's why I brought in the Cs.
Don't you think the difference of the OD rating is huge compared to last season in those examples I have posted? Ok the decreased ratings ID compared to last season is easily explained by the drop of enthusiasm and gameshape.

But you can't really explain a raise of the OD ratings with about 1,5-2 levels due to a drop of gameshape and enthusiasm can you?

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 11/26/2008 5:41:14 PM

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56760.45 in reply to 56760.44
Date: 11/26/2008 5:49:09 PM
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What exactly do centers have to do with OD ratings?


Huh where did I say that? I was comparing my OD ratings with ID ratings, that's why I brought in the Cs.
Don't you think the difference of the OD rating is huge compared to last season in those examples I have posted? Ok the decreased ratings ID compared to last season is easily explained by the drop of enthusiasm and gameshape.

But you can't really explain a raise of the OD ratings with about 1,5-2 levels due to a drop of gameshape and enthusiasm can you?

OD to me behaves erratically last season or no last season. I think the code for SG contribution should be inspected.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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56760.46 in reply to 56760.45
Date: 11/26/2008 5:52:15 PM
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Ok, I agree with that, there has always been something strange at the OD ratings. Remember the possible ever going, never really found, so never proved, 3-2 zone bug.

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56760.47 in reply to 56760.46
Date: 11/26/2008 5:56:41 PM
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Ok, I agree with that, there has always been something strange at the OD ratings. Remember the possible ever going, never really found, so never proved, 3-2 zone bug.

I remember that, but Charles said he checked and double-checked the code for 3-2 and it was alright. So maybe the problem is with the positional contribution, and it gets exacerbated when a zone is picked? This topic kind of died off in the Bugs forum, but I still don't think that everything is right there.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 11/26/2008 5:56:54 PM

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56760.50 in reply to 56760.49
Date: 11/27/2008 9:11:04 AM
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I have always hated the team ratings reporting system.. as it is a really indirect measurement of what we actually use the in game engine.. but nevertheless players need to have some summary evaluation of how good their team is in certain areas.

I will double check the code which calculates the team ratings...but none of the changes we made in the new GE should have affected the OD team ratings...

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56760.52 in reply to 56760.51
Date: 11/27/2008 9:50:02 AM
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The OD ratings seemed buggy before the game engine changes as well


Agreed. It isn't so much that thed changes caused it, but that ut has been questionable all along. I also substantially increased my teams OD with little to show for it in the ratings.

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