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I am sure, I understand this with ENT.I am reporting this so late bcs my GM Kivan is not too much online and I tried to solve problem with him first and then he told me today to write my message here.
Ent before that game was 8 and after game was still 8 and that cant be because I played at easy(I counted to loose that game anyway).I know that ENT falling with time but that was just after that game.
ENT NOW is 7 but few days is still7 and I expect tomorrow will probably be 6.

Between 2/22 and now 9 days have passed. Since then you've played in one other game that has allowed you to manage your Enthusiasm. It looks like in that game that you played Normal. It sounds perfectly possible and normal to have dropped to 7 in 9 days since you've last played TIE.

Exactly, if you didn't tie the next game, you should be lower than 7 by now unless your enthusiasm has actually increased as expected after the game of the 22th. The higher the enthusiasm, the quicker it lowers and at 9 and above it's fairly quick.

I hope a BB will check it for you but from the numbers you give, it doesn't look like there is a bug.

Yes I played normal in that game between.I just ask if somebody can check this(I dont know if that is possible) and believe me I am sick of that case, I am wrangling with this 10 days explaining to everybody I know how ENT functioning..I just know my ENT was at the same level after that game..If you think that s impossibe or cant be recovered say and case will be over.That s my opinion, I have no patient anymore, you re 4-th man I am expalining that :-)

Thanks! :-)

Here's the line up I submitted: http://i55.tinypic.com/29w4pwl.png

Pyszczek didn't play. Rabaud, Shani, Aydin started.

From the game manual: "or you can use your depth chart strictly until the 4th quarter, then tell the coach to try and win the game however he thinks is best (Depth Chart until 4th)."

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I assume nothing gets done about this? My game shape is going to be fucked. I am 15-2 and play a 15-2 team next week. My salaries are high and I'm losing money, I wanted to try promoting this season.

I like the game, but this kills my promotion chances. Wow.

I'm looking at that submitted lineup and besides Pysczek, I'm seeing nothing wrong. The problem is that you picked Depth until 4th. Despite what the manual says, anything but "Strictly Follow" will give the Coach way too much lead in who he plays. The people he played looks to be almost prefect in any case except for maybe Cabading. But with Cabading's horrible GS and probably low Stamina, it doesn't surprise me at all that he got a lot of bench time.

A bit odd that Pyszczek didn't get any minutes but I'm guessing it's a direct result of Rabaud being light years ahead of him in skill, so your coach sat him instead.

The manual could probably use updating (or make the Substitutions do what they say), but this looks like it is normal due to "common knowledge" as to how the subs work.

I'm not sure how you could say that this will kill your promotion chances. You've got one rough game this week, but it doesn't look like a possible drop or two in GS is going to make all the difference. Even if it does, you're still in PO contention. It *may* screw your HCA possibilities, but that's not even definite looking at the other teams' schedules.

Besides Pyzsczek you see nothing wrong? Aydin and Shani started the game. It is not common knowledge that the game manual is incorrect in saying that a sub pattern will be strictly followed when it's actually disregarded entirely (and not 2 minutes here and there like it probably is common knowledge, but over 100 minutes worth). I'd like to see the tally's of a global vote on that.

And the Pyzsczek not playing thing is a huge problem as it is. First of all, he's a trainee. And second of all, I only have 4 wing players covering 3 positions, and instead of a player getting approximately 60 minutes, which is perfect, he's at 93 minutes, which will hurt his game shape.

It will kill my promotion chances because 2 of my next 3 games are now losses and I'll finish 3rd without HCA (which is needed in most every DII). I will get destroyed inside next game with this horrible game shape.




Last edited by Stajan at 3/17/2011 11:33:36 PM

Ardid and Shani started for the same reason that Cabading did. They are incredibly more skilled than the players you started. With the combination of 9+ players in your lineup and choosing something other than Strictly Follow. your coach went insane and ignored your lineup to start your more skilled players.

As for common knowledge, I'll point you to the Sticky at the top of this forum:

Wrong lineup used: It is currently possible that the AI coach will change the starting lineup, especially if he is given some freedom with substitutions. To avoid this problem, use the Strictly Follow Depth Chart setting.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be fixed, as currently any setting but Strictly Follow is broken. It royally sucks that you're now in the position you're in. It also sucks that without reading the stickies in an "off forum" that isn't normally in the forum lineup you wouldn't have known about this issue ahead of time. However, it is a known issue and precisely what happened to your team.

Cazzola is incredibly more skilled than Rabaud (not Cadabing), particularly at point, so he should have started if it was based on skill.

And yeah, the sticky in the bugs forum did not help. I don't think (m)any users come into this forum searching for this issue prior to having the AI completely mess up their line up, and I don't think this happens very often, so I still disagree that it's common knowledge. But fair enough.

I wish I could at least be given walkover minutes based on the line up I used, but I guess that's not a possibility. You don't have to reply again. I'll deal with it. I've had many lucky moments this season and getting massacred here evens it out.

I had something similar happen to me, and that's why I was advocating earlier in this thread to make it known to folks there is a known bug where you can only guarantee the starters you select will start if you use 'strictly follow depth chart'. It's too bad that the discussions seem to be mainly had in the bugs forum, and people generally find out about it after it happens to them.

In all seriousness, we're currently aware of only one bug with regard to submitting tactics....

Do you mean beyond the bug stated in the 'known bugs' stickied post? I recently had another case of my back-up starting in this game (32343295). Although it seems by the link in the post that you are aware of it and will deal with it when you do an overhaul of the GE, which I'm totally fine with, but people should be made aware to use 'strictly follow depth chart' to avoid those cases.