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218937.427 in reply to 218937.426
Date: 7/3/2012 6:59:00 PM
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Fair enough, that's n=1. Though you didn't win and promote, and you're doing well, but not running roughshod over your league this season. So you're stronger. Are you too strong? I dunno.

Still, I do recall at one point that the BBs looked to check if their relegation penalty was "working as intended". Meaning, it made it difficult for teams to drop down and then promote right back up. Not impossible, cause that would be incredibly demoralizing as a team that relegated despite their best effort. But in general, they said that it wasn't overly common for relegating teams to promote right back up. Now, whether that is still the case, I don't know.

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Date: 7/4/2012 3:42:31 AM
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Date: 7/4/2012 3:50:05 AM
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More and more new teams are coming through the ranks with interesting ideas.


Agree. It's the same in our country. For seasons there were only two teams who battled for championship and none other came close. Now one of the two teams didn't even made the finals, while other lost the interest since it couldn't compete anymore and got relegated to D.II.

I guess they had a lot of money piled up because they started much earlier than others; and I guess they didn't got involved in training or general improvements of their team enough because they thought they were safe. Eventually, the best teams caught up with them and surpassed them two seasons ago.

Last edited by Koperboy at 7/4/2012 3:50:59 AM

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Date: 7/4/2012 4:40:05 AM
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+1 to you and Coco.

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Date: 7/4/2012 7:46:09 AM
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as a tanker, let me say my own motivation was to build a team from scratch that fit completely with my understanding of the game -- an honorable motive, if i may say. (i was trapped in DII, and saw no reasonable way to advance, but only a path towards eventual relegation. i was barely competitive, with older players, small arena, and no training program. i had done all i could to win DIII, and when i advanced, i saw i had not sufficiently planned for the next level.)

that was some three-four seasons ago. my plan is well underway, and while i will not claim to have watched it unfold flawlessly, i do see a team emerging that fits my ideas and my stadium will eventually produce much greater revenues -- in other words, my rebuild is succeeding.

but i hated, absolutely hated not fielding a competitive team my last season in DII, in part because i think we all enjoy the competition, but it was a necessary step. i did take a severe hit to my attendance that season and the next -- all told, revenues for a home game dropped 50% -- but i was always careful to at least field a team.

with that as background, i would suggest a simple change, and let the coaches deal with it: no penalty for tanking, just a very severe penalty (in attendance and tv revenues) for not fielding a full team for any game.

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Date: 7/4/2012 9:37:34 AM
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Exactly! +1

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Date: 7/4/2012 9:55:57 AM
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Objective evidence:

Season 17 - Flash Mashers lost the relegation series and were relgated from league USA III.1
Season 18 - Flash Mashers were crowned champions of league USA IV.22
Season 19 - Flash Mashers made the playoffs of USA III.1 (I was top seed in the whole league but got shot down by late season injuies)

It's very possible to do it at the D2/D3 level where it is still beneficial.


I suppose the question here then would be how likely it would be for you to have had a team capable of fighting for promotion last season had you instead competed and developed your team while in III. Well, that would at least give an idea of whether the tanking was "beneficial" or just an alternate route to a similar outcome.

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Date: 7/5/2012 5:01:45 AM
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I totally agree with you!!! +1 also from me!!

Ciao

Paolo

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Date: 7/5/2012 4:18:37 PM
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I am not sure this qualifies as tanking. You promoted into d. III for season 17 and then relegated. You bought Zebin, Thomas, and Xiros that season. In fact, you spent more than you sold in season 17. There is a difference between losing and tanking.

I think that the size of the country you play in makes a difference with regards to how successful tanking can be. My team is aging and it won't be long before I am no longer competitive. I will, most likely, begin rebuilding when it happens. Training and being competitive in D.I is very difficult so it makes sense to drop down when rebuilding. I don't see anything wrong with it. I do agree that fielding a team of less than five guys is bogus and should carry heavy financial penalties. Add to this a higher salary floor and there is a decent solution.

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Date: 7/8/2012 11:28:23 PM
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tanking is one business decision you could do to plan for your team's long term direction. i am personally opposed to it because you may want to rebuild your team through other means without tanking, but it increases the chance of you getting quality picks. but i wouldn't judge anyone who does so. this may be prevalent it lower tier leagues.

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