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106339.43 in reply to 106339.42
Date: 8/26/2009 3:41:32 PM
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Edit: If I was you, I'd put player 9 third or even second in the list!!


You are right, thanks for the tipp!

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106339.44 in reply to 106339.11
Date: 8/28/2009 9:02:20 AM
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My draft is seemingly top heavy with guards..

All of the 5* players I've scouted are guards, save for one C, and all the 4* are guards.

Out of 23 players scouted, 11 were 4* or 5* guys. My scouts did well on a cheap budget :3

I double scouted 6 people, the best being a 4*/4* PG who is at the top of my list.. And probably another one's too.

2 others were 5*, but they had 2* potential, and the other 3 were just trash. And I mixed around the unscouted ones to see if I could get lucky :'D

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106339.45 in reply to 106339.44
Date: 8/29/2009 3:56:17 PM
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Quite frankly I think the scouting feature is a waste of money.

Consider this:

If I invest 40k for 9 weeks I pay 360 for 3 players or 120k per player. If I'm a good team then my draft position is low, so I realistically don't have a shot at the top 6-8 players (given that other teams' investment level is down). This means that I'm spending 120k per marginal player.

Now think of the timing of the draft. Its post playoffs, some managers are disheartened by their team's performance, teams are getting cleaned out of the system. The market becomes flooded with a high inventory of quality personnel. Basic economic theory suggest that this is the best time to buy. Supply is higher so prices are down.

So if I instead invest only 10k, I'm getting a 90k investment, and my remaining 270k can be used to purchase 1 player at MY direction, according to my desired needs.

This has been my recent strategy, and the result for the most part has been that I am with cash during the offseason and able to pick up better players.

Of course random chance would also suggest that I'm excluding my ability to obtain the "once in a lifetime" player, but I personally feel as if I have more control this way.

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106339.46 in reply to 106339.45
Date: 8/29/2009 5:16:58 PM
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i am with you, but i think i am going to have to rethink my approach. i quite surprised myself with success my first two seasons getting to Div III by my third season. then i hit a brick wall. there are teams here whose second string makes more than my starters, very good teams who beat me handily while playing TIE. those teams had THEIR tails handed to them in Div II. i can not imagine -- literally -- how good Div I must be.
my existential realization: i like the challenge, am training, adding seats for revenue, and so on. however, i realize now that my opponents -- my very capable opponents, people who understand the game at least at my level (and i think a lot of myself) are working just as hard to improve. i am chasing usain bolt. i am realizing that the only way i can make a significant jump in performance levels relative to my opponents is to capture lightning in a bottle -- how? buy a very expensive prospect or two (i don't have millions) or (maybe) get that special for much less in the draft.
right now, i still avoid the draft. next season is my final season for basically training my entire team. then i think i might start playing the draft.

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106339.47 in reply to 106339.46
Date: 8/29/2009 8:01:33 PM
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Without having to go back and read the entire thread, since obviously the complaints will be the same for as long as the current draft system is in place, I'll just ask a simple question (which I ask every offseason):

Is there any hope whatsoever that the current unbelievably boring draft system will be in some way shape or form improved in the near future?

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106339.48 in reply to 106339.47
Date: 8/30/2009 12:48:16 AM
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Yeah, i agreed. The draft system definitely need improvement.

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106339.49 in reply to 106339.45
Date: 8/30/2009 7:35:20 AM
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If I invest 40k for 9 weeks I pay 360 for 3 players or 120k per player. If I'm a good team then my draft position is low, so I realistically don't have a shot at the top 6-8 players (given that other teams' investment level is down). This means that I'm spending 120k per marginal player.


the question is should it be necessary to all to pay 40k?

I think the maximum option is for teams in inactive leagues, with a lot of bot and some not so active human competitors.

When you are the first picking team of maybe 5-6 players, the 40k investment don't see crazy for me because you had good chanches to get a good player in round too and even chanches to get one in round 3. Last season i checked the draft of the last german IV: leagues with human partizipation. I checked ~16 of them, and i got 3 teams with 2-3 draft who are worth over 500k.

Even if i don't know if i would invest that much in this sitution, because you get pretty good informations even with a 10k investment.

From: LA-Nir

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106339.50 in reply to 106339.1
Date: 9/2/2009 11:47:00 AM
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i can tell you from what happend to me last season i pay 40k every week for 14 weeks and i had the worst draft ever i was piking 8 in my confrence spending 560k on scouting and you know for how much i sold my 3 players who i got? 2 i manage to sell and one got fired i will tell you how much money from my investment i got 58k back so after i found out the all thing is luck and nothing more i can recomend you to do the same as i did and go to training you see the drop down on the left corner? roll it to 0$ a week and walla next season you will get abut 2-3 players to see fully and few more part info but you know what the best part of it? insted of loseing 502k on scouting every dolar i make from the draft i a fare gain


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106339.51 in reply to 106339.50
Date: 9/2/2009 5:35:23 PM
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An Nyeong haseyo ! I hope I spell it right, been a while since I learned any Korean.

I agree with those who say the scouts are a waste. It's ok just to random select five players and tell me a little about them. Myself, I wait until the last few weeks of the season and then scout. It feels real ( no real value in the game it's my feeling) because draft talk starts in the later part of the season. I still waste money but not more than 100 K and I get some information rather than nothing at all.
Still, I'm winning this season and I've been told several times a winning team should not spend on scouting. If you're 2-20 maybe a scout is fun , but at 20 wins or more, you're not getting much in the draft.

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106339.53 in reply to 106339.51
Date: 9/3/2009 4:16:56 AM
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Still, I'm winning this season and I've been told several times a winning team should not spend on scouting. If you're 2-20 maybe a scout is fun , but at 20 wins or more, you're not getting much in the draft.


i would most times this is right but you got 6 bots into your draft and in low leagues, there are sometimes not very active teams who forget the draft so that they also draft randomly.

+ 1-2 new guys with few informations

You could have luck, even for a decent 2cd round pick.

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