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152363.43 in reply to 152363.42
Date: 7/25/2010 5:41:12 AM
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People dont lose 80% of the time, people do it all the time because it works, thye end up getting more money off the other team. They get little punishment while doing it, thats why so many teams do it.

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Date: 7/25/2010 5:50:32 AM
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when i bid above market value i get the player must time, so why this should be different when you bid on your own players?

And personally i also make different experience with it ;)

And getting a player you don't want, isn't a good decision for a manager right? So why risking buying your own player, and get punished through taxes, keeping the player, fan survey etc. is a good deal?

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Date: 7/25/2010 5:53:02 AM
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But most of the time they dont get there own player, they actually sell them for a much higher price. This part isnt up for debate as it is why the whole thread started. It goes on all the time.

If it didnt work, then it wouldnt be happening so regularly in the game, they do it to maximise the money they get for a player, more then they would have got without doing it.

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Date: 7/25/2010 6:20:13 AM
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But most of the time they dont get there own player, they actually sell them for a much higher price. This part isnt up for debate


in this case i would recommend you make it yourself, but don't complain when you end up loosing money and buying overprized players :)

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152363.47 in reply to 152363.46
Date: 7/25/2010 10:18:46 AM
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LOL, The whole point of the thread was that it is wrong to be allowed to do this process, which makes you comment bizarre.

Anyway, thanks for the debate, was interesting to engage and get another indepth view

Good Luck for the season

From: wizkid
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152363.48 in reply to 152363.47
Date: 7/29/2010 12:19:22 AM
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Just read through this pretty interesting thread. I think the part that is interesting is the talk that players' managers are making other teams pay above market value, when (to me) if it was above market value, then other managers wouldn't pay it.

The way I look at it (having at some point paid extra to a manager raising his own bid at the last minute) is that the manager is paying the extra risk (of having to pay the taxes) for the ability to adjust the asking price at the last minute.

I'm not a huge fan of "real life" comparisons in all situations, but for example, if an NBA player has a team go out and get an offer, then the player comes back to his original team because he'd like to stay there, then they decide to match... the new team would obviously need to raise the bid in order to have a shot. I see the way BB works as very similar to this.

Moral of the story... if the player isn't worth it, don't pay that for him and screw the current owner with the 3 to 25% tax for taking such a risk.

From: Gabi

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152363.49 in reply to 152363.21
Date: 7/29/2010 6:17:35 AM
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I have read all the arguements, and i must say both views make sense to some extent.
Biddng on your own players is allowed, true, and isn't cheating in any way, but the buyer must be notified that
the current bidder is the seller himself. Because - there isn't really a clear "market price" for a player, only an evaluation, and not all of us can do all the math and take all player attributes into account in a single glance.just today i saw a player with a market evaluation of "100K to 3.4 million". many of us dont have that much expirience to tell what an EXACT fair price is.we partly depend on others to "signal" for us - if there is a bidding war, then the price is probably reasonable. if i bid 500K and i see others bid 700K, i might think to myself that this is probably a fair price, cause other managers keep on bidding. however, if i see that the bidder is the seller himself, i might suspect that this is not actually a fair market price, and the seller is just squeezing for more $$$.
so - how about some kind of sign - an "alarm" that shows on the player page when the current bidder is the seller?
i think that would be more than fair.


Last edited by Gabi at 7/29/2010 6:21:44 AM

From: Kukoc

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152363.50 in reply to 152363.49
Date: 7/29/2010 8:01:27 AM
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I agree, turn it read and point an arrow with text "bidder is the selling team" etc.

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Date: 7/29/2010 8:29:16 AM
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Mods:

Please change the name of this thread to 'Tempest in a Teapot.'

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152363.52 in reply to 152363.51
Date: 7/29/2010 9:13:48 PM
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Some of you guys obviously dont know much about economics. In a frst price auction like this the market price is not what the highest bidder is willing to pay but rather whatever the second highest bidder is willing to pay + 1.

And this option to bid on your own player totally disrupts that.

From: fergrod

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152363.53 in reply to 152363.52
Date: 7/29/2010 10:17:49 PM
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Isn't what you just said the same as BB vs real basketball discussion ??

In any case, the debate is pointless. The transfer market holds risks for both the buyer and the seller, the main thing to consider is thinking for 2 seconds before clicking on sell or buy.


GL!

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