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I just think this is a learning process. Everyone starts as a rookie not knowing how to train and who to train and how to manage economy. Some advice would be good but asserting others "you must do this" is another thing. Human would rather do things their way and if that is the wrong way they are willing to pay the price and learn the lesson and this lesson will be far more impressive.

As you can probably tell from my post, there isn't exactly a conglomerate of guides or how-tos when it comes to training.

This is true. However, you can get a lot of useful information if you look at some U21 forums. You can always find a lot of info on how to train your player. I know it's for U21 only, so not for everybody, but if you are a "noob", you can certainly discover a lot of new things about training if you read U21 guides. Like most of U21 teams we also have a U21 training guide in local and English language that many of our local players use...

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I listed links to ones in English only...but there are many more in other languages.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/14/2013 4:16:49 AM

I am very vocally against training players for U21 that have no NT future.

I was of the same opinion as you, until I took the coaching place in our U21. Now I'm looking at it from completely different perspective: I'd like to see as many low-potential U21 players as possible. Why?

Making the U21 is not a tough task except in big countries like USA, Poland and Italy, to name a few. You have to have an allstar or perennial allstar with decent skills, trainer lvl4 and 48 minutes of training/week, every week. If your player won't be a starter, it will be at least a good backup. So everyone can have a U21 player (as opposed to NT players).

This means that new managers can get their player to play on U21 as easily as experienced managers . They don't have enough training knowledge? No problem, there are scouts and U21 coach who can help him on every step of the way.

And having a good U21 player is not the most important result, but a manager who learned a lot during training and likes this game enough to stick around. That's why I'm looking at U21 as a starting point of many new managers toward better BB experience.

A new manager who doesn't know how to train, keep good game shape etc. and doesn't find enough info on forums, is likely to give up earlier than later on BB. If, however, he gets a BBmail from me or one of the scouts - that's a whole another story! He has a mentor for his U21 player. He has a person who he can turn to in case of questions. Me or the scouts can even help him on things that are not directly related to his U21 player, like setting prices for his arena, tactics or whatever other issues comes to his mind.

So I'm considering U21 NT as a platform to reach to new managers, keep them in the game and teach them how to train and play. For that purpose, U21 is invaluable to the game.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/14/2013 5:19:58 AM

i guess u didnt take my advice about bumping your head somewhere before counting?

#1 as much as the sucker who bought him for you paid at 19/20...probably the sucker would pay as much BEFORE you started training him.

again theory,what would happen if this has happened.

#2 You must subtract the cost of the trainer from your so called profits

500k+500k-around 150k=850k

#3 We are going on trust alone that you used a 4 or 5.....that the buy wasn'T a fluke....that you never trained secondaries. But I7ll take your word for it even though all you've done is post on the forum.

again u are just making a point that uve never trained anything in your bb history.

#4 If you disagree cool, I appreciate a different perspective. No need to try to make it into personal attacks. Let7s be clear I am attackign WhAT YOU ARE SAYING, I don't know you or anything about you. I7m talking about what you have said. And in my experience NOTHING you've said speaks truth/reality about how the market and training works.

u dont appreciate different prospective and u keep making it personal.and like ive said u dont have exp of playing in lower league where player quality are in way lower standards.

You might know more about making NT players that are useless to domestic clubs than me...but i know the market.

u dont know anything about u-21 market.and players that are useless for domestic clubs?yeah ok,now i really dont want to say anything since u are like donkey,going forward saying im the best im the smartest lol.a

anyway this is my last post in this topic,keep having fun training GS ;)

u dont appreciate different prospective and u keep making it personal.

You're not really shy about doing the same. Perhaps you shouldn't complain about others doing it too.

i guess u didnt take my advice about bumping your head somewhere before counting?

I think you're absolutely someone who would benefit from taking their own advice...


Not really sure how you can continue to argue that Wolph's initial post is in error. It simply seems petulant... as what he said was pretty informative and helpful - whatever the experience and division level of the manager.

The reason i mention u21 players is because i find those to be a source of ruined players in this game. They are many times just a race to get high primary skills and nothing else. And that is what i call a wast of a good player.

This season 23 players played in polish NT this season. 11 of them played in u-21 in the past. Polish top prospects for NT also played in u-21. Everything is up to an owner.