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How do you propose to bridge that 7 million gap in an economy where it would normally take you 6 seasons or 2 years to complete the arena?

You compete at the level you're at, and build and move up, compete at that level, build and move up. At some point you either run out of places to move up to or run out of skill to compete at that level, and adjust accordingly.

Exactly. Well put. Right now arena building is well balanced. If it ain't broke ...

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Some of these things would NOT be an improvement to the game" Create an Auto bid function … Develop and release an "App" … More Advertising/Marketing … Reducing the effectiveness of game shape training …

Good ones include: Stop LCD & blanks +Improve current subs options … Further reduce the financial advantages of tanking … Increase the speed that players can be trained at

Advertising and an app may have some benefit but not at the expense of losing focus on actually needed game improvements.

Dude, you like the unicorn turd GM assume a lot of things other people haven't said and assume your opinions are facts. You should ask new managers if waiting 2 years (for training and arena) is a reasonable time. Not you, me and others who find it acceptable or have invested a lot of time in the game already. Or do you think you would boosting user numbers by disregarding what new users think?

Some of these things would NOT be an improvement to the game for me

There fixed it for you.

I see you're also a fan of declarative statements, let's not waste another 15 posts to understand that these are your personal opinions, shall we? How about making some kind of reasonable argument on why you think these are not improvements to the game, so that we can understand if there is some angle we haven't considered? Otherwise you could do like your fellow countryman and clarify that you have no arguments, just opinions.

As you can see the majority of people thinks an app would be indeed beneficial to the game.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/7/2014 5:00:37 AM

The simple answers are that I don't think arena costs are in any significant way responsible for users leaving the game.

Of course this was never the point and you should know better, after all the times I've accused you of misrepresenting opinions and assuming things that have never been said. We were talking about new users brought in by an app/marketing, not just any user, including current users.

Some arbitrary two year deadline to "complete" an arena

I think we have in fact established that 2 years is a reasonable time, based on actual examples.

there's simply nothing to substantiate that there is a groundswell of people who get frustrated at the cost of building an arena

People who leave the game, don't ofter threaten to do so in advance on the forums, they just stop logging in. However, the one person threatening to leave on the forums did ask explicitly to take his arena with him to a larger country. You should know, since he's one of your best forum buddies.

This is going nowhere, and we could either spend another hundred posts going nowhere without grace, or I can just walk away. I like that option better.

Let's see if you can stick to it. So far, with your last post, just piled up to the number of posts misrepresenting others' opinions.

We can't say theyre doing nothing. Is not a secret that they havent the enough resources to do what they want. Everyone have its point of view. Mine is that the most important thing now, is to save the game... And i think that an app should be a good way to take, will give to the game a huge boost of popularity for being the first game of this kind turned into an app, maybe not all the new players will stay because simply theyre not agree with this kind of browser game, but maybe behind that new player another will stay... And maybe behind that one who stays... There is another one who fell in love with the game and share the experience with his or her brother...

Well... Is just my point of view... Enjoy the game and lets see what happens.

Greets from Colombia!

I know arena is an important thing in this game because in come, but is a decision you make, I do not know when users decided that arena expansion was the top priority, because you can expand little and modify prices a lot.

Example :

Check this team arena:
(181561)

This guy managed to keep a small expansion but be competitive with nice income, inverting almost 2million less than other teams in his same division and getting incomes only 10 k to 20 k under them.

That say, what I think is more important than a faster way to expand arena, is make the prices changes more friendly.

Mate, what I'm saying is: do we want to increase the user base? It looks like it: the app is winning the poll. If so, my take is that we should try to keep as many new managers as possible. If introducing small changes can help with this, we should try to implement them.

What long term managers think is broken/unsatisfactory in the game, (LCD, GS training etc) is not necessarily what's problematic for new users. My opinion is that a 'long time' (so hrudey will be happy since apparently he contests the 2 year mark) to train players to their potential and to build the arena would be way way ahead in a poll for new users than for seasoned users.

Don't you think we should ask new users what they think about the game and the reasons why they might quit? It's not for me or you or hrudey to decide that. We might not care what they think (like CaptainTeemo) and perhaps even not care if there are any new users at all, but that's a different viewpoint altogether. If you want to keep them, what's relevant is what they think, not us.

On a side note, 'make training faster' is ranking third in the poll even among seasoned managers right after the App and killing blanks+LCD (I'd like to see that separate from additional minute management options though). I can't see that being anywhere other than 1st or 2nd in a poll for new users.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/7/2014 10:39:01 AM

As of now I would more use that thread as a discussion point than "the votes are meaning something".

Shall we throw the entire poll in the toilet and stop discussing about this then? Also I didn't see you complaining about numbers on other polls.

See here: (253111.1)
or here: (250719.1)
Both from a time when users were over 40k compared to today's 30k

3rd is still 3rd. It's 14 users out of 95 (and I voted for the app) and they think there is an issue with training which is bigger than dwindling numbers or blank/LCD.

Looks to me none of these polls will ever "mean anything" by the standards you decided to champion today.

The only poll I've ever seen that went over 300 votes is the following and was advertised by the BBs: (254079.1). Perhaps you could ask them to link the poll into an global announcement, so that we can get to the numbers you feel would "mean something".

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/7/2014 11:16:32 AM