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For fun I checked the draft from my own league and top league in my country. Seems like the draft has not been too useful for most teams.

In top league most of the teams kept their drafts but they have played very little time. Strange decision though to have a player that only get a few minutes once in a while for a scrimmage. I would sell or sack instead.

In my league none of the players from this years draft has been that influential and from last years it been similar.

What I then get a bit curious about is the comparison between starting teams and drafts. From this little research I get the impression that starting teams got maybe a bit too good players in comparison. For me it would be logical that the starting teams almost only are there to be replaced. At other manager games they are very much like the local not so talentive players.

Anyone that got an opinion about this? I play my first season so surely got no possibility to more than reflect about this and maybe do it completely incorrect. I bought some cheap players but still two of my starters are from the team I was given and they are no worse than the rest of my players.

raft sld be able to upgrade a team. At least the 3 best players in the draft should be players of more than 6000$ salary. 5 more of over 5000$ salary.

This is my opinion. Not necessarily a star, but a player that can actually upgrade a weak team.

I don't know if it is so, I don't know what A or even A+ players look like, since this is going to be my first draft, and I don't know how many A's are in the draft anyway, (and I am picking last so my chances to get one of them are slim). I just hope that the weaker teams chances are better than in the lottary...

In whole Czech republic we have last season's draft only 2 players over 6000$ salary and 3 more over 5000$ salary.
It was only 18 years old players, so may be some others 19 years old also had salary over 6000$ or 5000$.
I didn't count players with potencial below starter (4) and players drafted by computer managed teams.
Czech republic had over 200 active teams at the time of that draft.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/12/2008 11:26:01 AM

Draft should be able to upgrade a team.

Actually it does. The better picks can be trained and in long term make your team stronger OR can be sold for higher amounts than older players with the same stats because those youngsters can be trained better.

It's your first season, it's time for you to start already making long term planning. Which positions you will train, which stats for how long.

It's too easy to demand better players in draft and expect draft itself will develop your team. It's your call to develop your team with the available opportunities.

I am not talking about myself.

Yes, it is my first season, yet I am not a clueless manager expecting the draft to do the work for me. I am going probably towards promotion (on the expense of several acvtive more veteran teams from my league. I am happy with what I have made from my team, I have a nice trainer, several nice trainees and I have my training program going quite well, thank you. I am not depending onthis draft.

Still, if a draft provides players that you can find anyway in the transfer list for few thousands. like I did, the whole idea is worthless.
You can always take an 18 years old player, develop him through training and go on like that.

This is how managers should upgrade their teams. Draft should provide some extra something, like in the NBA draft - the chance to turn a weak team into something new, with high potential. It is always up to the manager to fulfill this potential, but it is the draft's task to provide the potential

In Sweden there is one 18 year old with salary of above 6000 and that player (>7000 salary even) is from a new team so not from the draft. This is something that certainly puzzles me. I don't understand why not (at least) the top 5 from each draft is better than any player that new teams are awarded with. Salary does not of course prove that player is better than a 5000 salary player but it should be in my opinion for new players (including draft players in that expression).

Just a note. Remember that the team which got first pick overall will relegate. If the best player in draft would have a strong immediate impact (chance to turn a weak team into something new) it could make promotion a way too hard for original teamas in division it would relegate into. Baring abandoned teams.

I'm not against it but it should be considered that divisions in BB are not closed competions as NBA is and that drafts in one division influence other divisions too. How much is queationable of course.

This is how managers should upgrade their teams. Draft should provide some extra something, like in the NBA draft - the chance to turn a weak team into something new, with high potential.

It does, it just takes more than a season to develop the potential. The best trainees take a lot less to train then the "garbage" trainees. They maybe don't have those spectacular stats, but their stats are equally developped which saves a lot of time.
Edit: If you want to compare with NBA: some teams in the NBA prefer to trade their rights instead of using their good pick. So even there they aren't convinced of the available quality provided.

It is always up to the manager to fulfill this potential, but it is the draft's task to provide the potential

The way I see it, the draft is an opportunity to enlarge your team's potential, not a task . In my opinion the draft may not make or break the coming season, but can be a great addition to future development of the team. It's up to the manager to equilibrate the team with the available options having in mind a worst case scenario. All above (such as draft of players) is profit to broaden the possibilities.
It is up to the manager to decide if the available talent pool at the moment is worth risking the scouting money.
If managers think in the present situation it isn't worth to invest, then they should decide not to invest and use the money in a more valuable way and gain more potential for their team using another strategy.

Last edited by LA-Kantine at 11/12/2008 1:48:58 PM

Context with my suggestion/mention,
I had thought in the last days.. to make the draft more realistic, there you know very well what you gonna get and what his level more or less ..
here it's bound with too much lucky even when your first pick is 1-3 .

I thought about addition of Rating grade to the statistics of the players performance.
That's just for give more indication to the coaches.. this is not the big change I talked about, with improving the rookies level but they can start from there and it's more suggestion which can help a little in the choices to get more information about the player level(Ltd. certainly) .

Last edited by Warrior at 11/12/2008 9:26:47 PM

If managers think in the present situation it isn't worth to invest, then they should decide not to invest and use the money in a more valuable way and gain more potential for their team using another strategy.

Theoretically - I couldn't agree more. The problem is that since there is no real knowledge regarding the level of all draft players, such an advise is slightly problematic.

If we know the "possible" range of levels in the draft, and the statistic probability of each level, then, we can decide whether to take this chance or not.
At this point, it is impossible to evaluate the risk and the gain, certainly for beginers, (and their risk is always bigger, since their resources are limited), but if I understand correctly, for vetaran managers after having a draft or two, it is the same.
You are exposed to limited data even on former drafts.

Thus, people are investing just in case. to make sure they don't miss an opportunity. Since for a logical decision - we need more data, the decision is always emotionally biased. Emotionally - the risk of investing always seem to be better than the risk of not investing.

Even some general guidelines in the rules, would help.

For instance, a guideline like: to become a good team, you don't need to rely on the draft, but to become a great team - there is no better option.
Is this sentence true, or not? Can you say that you are certain about the answer?

I believe I understand your point. But I don't agree.

If we know the "possible" range of levels in the draft, and the statistic probability of each level, then, we can decide whether to take this chance or not.

If all statistics are known, it 'd be too easy to put the numbers into ideal formula's which changes this basketbal sim into a mathematician contest. Maybe this is a bit extreme formulated, but that is what BB's want to avoid.
Succesfully dealing with uncertainties is a quality of a good manager. Offcourse there's a lot of counting involved, but it would be a pity if it was the only task left.
For the same reason the formulas of the game engine remain a mystery, which makes it harder/impossible to obtain exact predictions of future games.

Information of draft levels can be found after every draft on the TL, the reactions on the forums (in Belgium forums we have a lucky/unlucky thread for example) and in discussion threads when people are comparing their drafts.
The new manager has obtained for his first draft already some scouting reports, which allows him to pick not completely random. If the new player is smart, he'll decides whether or not to invest after his first draft when there is more info about it to obtain.