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Medyo marami-rami na rin yung discussion sa development ng NT at U21 players. It would seem that the aspiring national coaches prioritize development of the players above anything else - as if they are the ones training the players themselves.

With the right build and strategy, one can take a team to great success. BS ba? I started week 5 sa season 7 with my team. From my initial roster, nag-formulate ako ng build plan for my team. Tinanggal ko yung players na hindi fit sa build at pa-isaisa, bumili ako ng fit na player with my weekly savings. I focused on my team strength lang. Strategy-wise, I followed the tactics hint from the rules section: slow the game down if the opponent has good offense. Result? I won my league and got promoted to Division III. I topped the elimination round of the TDP League and eventually won the playoffs against 2 PPL teams and one from Div. II. At best, I get Inept(high) sa offensive at rebounding ratings at awful(high) sa OF pero ang defense ko mababa na ang mediocre(medium). I try to limit the opponent to less than 85 attempts lang. Maski bano sa offense team ko, at the buzzer ako ang panalo.

Ano point ko? I think we can design a build for our NT and U21 teams capitalizing on what we have (rather than wish for the right training from other players). Sometime last December, I suggested to the NT coach to try slow tactics versus strong countries. I even illustrated my point using computations but it seems masyado tayo in love sa fast tactics (look inside). Kung mataas ang offense rating ng kalaban, if you give them 90+ attempts - delikado ka na.

For the candidates, ano ang build plan ninyo? Paki-explain kung paano magiging effective yung build plan mo against other NT/U21 opponents (ex. USA U21 prominent OS, strong ID; Netherland U21 prolific IS, proficient PD, prolific ID; etc.).

Salamat.

I concur sa post ni sir hayop, kung nagiging problema nga ng previous NT natin is predictability ng tactics, mas maganda nga na may game plan na based sa strengths and weaknesses ng opposing team. Maganda siguro sa pagbuo ng NT, magconsider ng different line-ups na pwedeng gamitin, just like sa American Football na may deffensive at offensive team sila. Maganda nga na marinig natin from the candidates ang magiging approach nila para masolusyonan yung predictability issue ng National team.

Goodluck sa lahat this Season 8!

No offense, but you probably won your league because of lack of training knowledge from opposing teams, their lack of proper tactics, and inactivity. Try them sa cup if they will work with vastly superior teams. They MIGHT work, pero no matter how you slow the game down, it will mean nothing against a vastly superior team. Imagine our RP team competing with the likes of Team USA.

You want to be able to compete with USA, or Spain using the players that we have now? Impossible. Cge try competing with opposing SFs using C or PFs na walang outside defense.

For the candidates:

Jsmoove - How can you say that you are successful with the fact that you lost in your semifinals last season? How do you intend to train our younger players if you do not have them yourself?

Gm Collie - I checked your matches last season with ribonuclic acid. You haven't won a single game against him in 3 matches, despite your so called "experience". Why should I vote for you?

Because my coaching in PPL doesn't have to do with coaching in NT/U21... as I've stated before in my post... those two are different. Also, Smoove's team is composed of some of the league's best players... With that caliber, it's still a far cry for me to win one game last season, based on the development of my players.

Why you should vote for me? Because in all of the contestants, i'm the one with the most experience in the NT aspect. My experience taught me about the things that i should be doing and the things that i shouldn't. And with this, along with the players that i will be acquiring, we will try hard to get the best standing in the Asia qualifying, and the Worlds.

If you're gonna ask me whether if I focus train one position... that would be no problem for the NT, but it would be a problem for the system that i program on my club team.

The difference between sa club and sa NT, sa NT, you pick the best filipino players then compete with the best talent from the other country, while at the same time make them better without disrupting any program. And the good thing about NT players is that the training is focused solely on them.

Wherein, in the club teams, the training is solely focused on the team. that's my program in team polydozel. I don't get any players that would develop every week, mayroong maiiwan kaya kelangan pagpantay-pantayin sila. Kapag may maiiwan na player, maiiwan ang buong team. So i don't think na ang gagawin sa NT ay kelangan gagawin ko din sa team ko.

Bottom line: There are other ways for greatness without disrupting both parties... most especially if those two parties have distinctions in their own processes.

Because my coaching in PPL doesn't have to do with coaching in NT/U21... as I've stated before in my post... those two are different.

Again my problem with this is you are not practicing what you preach. Obviously magkaiba ang approach for winning sa NT at sa club level. And it seems obvious as well from your answers na you are not willing to sacrifice your clubs performance for the better of the NT.

Yes sa NT you pick the best Filipino players from all the teams. But the teams that you will pick these players from are sacrificing kasi yung training nila is not optimal for a club (you said so yourself that the approaches are different). Hindi ba mukhang lugi naman kami if we train our players for the NT and nagpapakahirap kami sa club namin tapos yung U21 coach nasa PPL playoffs at hindi nagtrain ng players for NT?

I think the Philippines deserve a U21 coach who is willing to make the sacrifices he asks from the other managers.

Last edited by Devastator at 2/27/2009 4:18:00 AM

No offense taken. I will try my team in the cup. At the TDP League, I went up against three Div II.2 teams (one has been promoted to the PPL by the time we met at the TDP Finals) and a PPL team (piloted by one of the U21 aspirants). I went 7-0 in that tournament. Its only been less than a season but I feel that Im headed at the right direction. I was a Div IV team last season and I upset two PPL teams. I am trying to stir up debate hoping to point our national teams towards being built to upset stronger national teams.

Hindi uubra yung makipagsabayan. Not unless we get farm teams and that is the long term approach. We should continue training players for national teams. In the mean time, since our guards and SFs are not up to par with other nations, I think we should put our heads together and come up with unorthodox builds. Experiment muna. We try the normal approach and we could expect optimistically 4-4 finishes. Ano ang mawawala sa atin kung mag-isip tayo outside the box.

I already voted but sana pag-isipan ng mga kandidato lalo na yung mananalo ang punto ko. Baka pwede po sagutin ninyo ang tanong ko - in Filipino po in case basahin ng mga banyaga ang thread na ito at malintikan tayo.

I think the Philippines deserve a U21 coach who is willing to make the sacrifices he asks from the other managers.

I beg to differ.

In the first place, I never agreed about the "Practice what you preach" thing, wherein i would be training players for NT as well. I never said i'm into that.

I'm saying that I would be finding the best crop of players, then let them train more to be better... it means na member na sila at pagagalingin pa.

Also, how can you say that they are sacrificing? i dunno about your case, but there are others that have one position training, pero di mo naman iko-consider na nag-sacrifice sila... meaning, choice nila yun. Also, in the first place, NT managers never ask for the club managers to do this or do that... Like LA-Ubaldo, he just left a post in the thread then yung mga club managers na ang bahala kung susunod or hindi...

I congratulate you for your achievement.

Although div III team ka, ung stats mo kasi ay halos kapareho lang ng kay jepoi and katcha. Ibig sabihin lang nun ay okay ung training and tactics mo. Kayo ni jepoi, norman black will be the better teams in the future.

Pero kasi, it is not called an upset kung pareho lang kayo ng stats. Theoretically, slowing down the game will result to lower scores. Pero pano kung kalaban mo ay si Jubas, or Hoes, na mas malakas ung teams? Tapos they are both knowledgeable kaya mataas ang enthusiasm and tama ang defensive tactic against you. Kahit na sobrang tama pa ang pag set mo ng lineup and tactics, they would run over you.

Our team kc as of the moment is nasa gitna ng standings. With the proper team management, we can easily get a 4-4 finish if we want to. Pero what I want is to be one of the top teams in the future, dahil malaki naman ang userbase natin. I am building for the future. Kaya nga I am for mentoring eh. How can you expect them to train players for the national teams kung di tama ang training scheme nila, or expect them to stay in the game long enough for their players to be monsters, kung lagi sila talo sa league?

For example, I saw an 18yo MVP with center skills sa forums. He was asking what to do since first season nya. Katcha told him to focus train his player, which i consider a 'wtf' statement kc naman, sobrang labo. How can you expect him to know what that is kung kakasimula lang nya? Do you even know kung alam man lang nya about having a trainer?

I sent him a bb-mail to explain to him how what training he could use to maximize the use of his player. I helped him set up a scheme to train not only the prospect but some of his players as well. And enthu management. He will more likely win his league, kaya mag stay siya for seasons to come. We meanwhile should expect to have a great player for the national team.

I have already seen 2 multi skilled players and have contacted their owners about their development. If they learn more about the game, then hindi masasayang ang players and we should get super SFs in the future.

Your team says a lot about you as a manager.

If you cannot train your players to be the best, then how can you expect other owners to train their players properly for the NT?

If you remember this, http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/forum/read.aspx?thread=..., I clearly said that i will win over you if ever we face each other. This should have given you plenty of time to set up your team to be better and time to learn from your mistakes, and clearly you haven't, despite your 'experience.'

If you look at ADMU, or Fil-Homes, they have started at a much later date than you, and their teams are stronger or equal lang compared to yours. How do you expect to win games with the NT, kung di ka manalo sa sarili mong team?

Last edited by JSmoove at 2/27/2009 6:29:37 AM

Hey no personal attacks please. Di pwede magmoderate si Katcha kasi kandidato sha eh.

Anyway balik kay JSmoove

from supahstah:

Jsmoove - How can you say that you are successful with the fact that you lost in your semifinals last season? How do you intend to train our younger players if you do not have them yourself?

And your comments on this as well please:

I think the Philippines deserve a U21 coach who is willing to make the sacrifices he asks from the other managers.

Last edited by Devastator at 2/27/2009 6:20:46 AM

Again, this boils down to training.

You know blue from TDP diba? He posted 2 guards who should be the future of our team, if trained properly. Kaya i helped him create a plan to train both his picks and have a better squad as well. He could PM me every week or every pop-up, para ma monitor ung progress ng players.

If we can have a mentoring program, managers would be more knowledgeable and they should be enticed to play longer and pay attention to their team more, since they would be winning games. Tapos their players will get trained pa. Thus, we can get the guards and centers with the highest skills, in their best form. Mahirap naman kasi to rely on what we have and expect a player with center skills with no outside skills to guard outside players ng opposing teams.

Tapos for the multi-skilled naman, we could help them create schemes to train their players both sa inside skills and outside skills. Like a PF with center skills tapos with outside shooting. Para we can go Motion and exploit their big men na kulang ang defense. Medyo tricky din kasi you need other young players for this to work. My experience in team management should kick in.