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hey it is your problem that things are changed, now it becomes much more reasonable to have better rebounders ?

They crap if player buy to high rebounding, why the others should get punished who didn't do it?

And blocking is an bigger issue in relevances, when it comes to effectniss then rebounding.

If i have a rebounder under the standard of my league it's a mine problem in construction fo the team,not a problem of the game
And if a team it's able to substain a rebounder stronger than the others,congratulations to him
If you hace chosen to train SB instead of rebounding or inside shot or inside defence,you don't understand nothing of the game,this is the problem
It was an error of BBs to insert the SB skill,because Sb ability could be as "stealing" ability,because steals and blocks are not a good way to estabilish the defence of a player

Sorry, i didn´t watch you match, i just saw the stats.

yeah you are right it was wrong to implement it, especially that way ;)

But soorry i can not follow your logic, is it ok to make skills stronger but not shot blocking? Wasn't it a failure to to go for "to much" rebounding? Isn't that also a cbad cost benefit decision, why they should change it and blocking can not mak'in stronger?

Blocking was very misleading skill, in taking him into the game you could imagine that it makes "sense", the interpretation that sb contributes to inside defence isn't toatl unlogical exspecially becuase it have very low effect on the number of blocks(i saw many blocking 7 guys who dominate in this area, where as better guys stay below one with rebound that isn't that drastic). Then many newbie guides and at least old forum post cshows the way that blocking was important. That you could train it only for big guys might also lead to the point that it was important for them, in game i would say it makes more sene with guards or sf because they block pretty often and it don't cost money(mayn they block less with the new GE, but if this the opnly improvement it will be better if they had deleting this skill completly).

Also i don't think that you must be stupid to think blocking has his importance, normally you get the tipp at the beginning to rate player for salary, blocking ain't unimportant with that. In thre rules you get no hint that it was useless. You need to have many different centers to figure it out with your own games that it don't count into ID like the rating might mislead you. So normally the guys without massive acces to the forum thing that it was important, so you and me are lucky but it makes the game and unfriendly for beginners.

They also make very big chanche in the strategy, which opunish people who play long term, and gives bonus for the short term planning guys - but in general if this avoid the farming problem i would say the change is good ;) The same think goes to blocking, to make it more important would make the game more fair, and lot better for beginners or at least they should mention it in the rules. Blocking skills just affect the amount the effect of blocks and raise the salary where much for a low effect, be aware of training it ;) Because the rules are on think you should read and know, instead of the forum which are optional.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/30/2009 8:37:48 AM

i must admit that I am having trouble following the discussion at this point.

BBs have thouhght that SB was too useless,they make some changes in the new Ge about it,but the problem is that this skill havn't any sense,so if you want to have a sort of realistic game,it cannot have much more weight
And shotblocking doesn't have sense for SF,because an average level of this skill "trasnform" them in PF,so having an higher salary
And what about the newbies,the base fo a community is to share the information about the game,in Italy we create another guide beside the rules to share what the great part of community learn about this game,and if a newbie ask some question without reading the rules,we reccomend to read it
That's maybe why Italian is the stronger community,together with the Spanish,of BB,as TV contract clearly say ;D

Right, that $2K more a week than the USA NBBA is huge.

BBs have thouhght that SB was too useless,they make some changes in the new Ge about it,but the problem is that this skill havn't any sense,so if you want to have a sort of realistic game,it cannot have much more weight

so we could put it into ID a bit, and maybe the NBA guys a wrong to consider a strong blocker a good defender ;) But Blocking is for sure a part of it, and thats why it wasn't a unrealistic change(in my eyes timing is main part of a good shoot blocker, for you the timing for a block was ID)

Or reduce the effect on salary, so that it reflect the influence in the GE was the easy way, but maybe the insuuficient because you should also strengthen the blocking training.

And what about the newbies,the base fo a community is to share the information about the game,in Italy we create another guide beside the rules to share what the great part of community learn about this game,and if a newbie ask some question without reading the rules,we reccomend to read it
That's maybe why Italian is the stronger community,together with the Spanish,of BB,as TV contract clearly say ;D

which is the NBA of BB clearly germany with a 120k contract ;)

And sorry even this guide was without good information about arena for long time, ok this is fixed so that your decisions was right - maybe because of this you could call you a strong community when changes are considered good is they strengthen your community and impossible if they goes about your fact and remove a big leap of this game.

The community it's not just the Division I teams,but also the others teams
Look here: (102886.58)
Teams of Italian and Spanish Divsion II,III an IV are much more stronger than corrispcetive American and other countries's teams...and Tv contract say this,it's an objective thing,not a mine opinion

a good blcoker not always is a good defender,maybe it could be more implmented but it hink that at the end SB cannot have however a great importance in the game
And about salary,if you look at josef Ka's formulas,there are many ridicuolous things(look at SF...)
The problem of arena is/was that too bigger arenas are unrealistic,and if you want a more possible realistic game you have to face this question
And about attendence we haven't to wait next season,so we don't know what will be the changes?

a good blcoker not always is a good defender

i never say that, but in my opion the ability to block can make your defense better.

Defence under the basket is a lot about fighting for the right position and anticipating the opponent moves and plays, thats part of ID. But it is also important to make shots more difficult in avoid a clear sight on the basket and avoid a "flat" throw(if you had to throw above a opponent who jumps up and takes his arm in the air you have to throw higher which is in must cases more difficult and sometimes he get the finger betwenn ball and basket so this is for me part of blocking). So i could imagine that maybe 3 blocking skills could act like an additional ID skill, or maybe give a percentual boost?

The problem of arena is/was that too bigger arenas are unrealisti

and you have no problem with paying milliosn for nothing, and in this case it is just bad manager decision. Wher it was in arena thing a clear unlogic decision? The arena thing was even easier to see, than the blocking thing so that you could better adapt to it.