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Nbrs are falling - Buzzerbeater whats wrong & how can it be fixed?

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251069.435 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/5/2014 10:07:18 PM
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So you prefer to take on a Div II side in round 1? I do not see how it will be good for anyone other then the top level sides to do the draw seeded.

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251069.436 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/6/2014 8:07:59 AM
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I understand what you are getting at with the soccer comparison, but the English soccer structure doesn't have bot teams playing each other at the expense of human controlled teams.

Like I said before, if it didn't have a monetary component it wouldn't be a problem. The tournament has an effect on overall fan support which influences attendance as well as the 50k purse for winning each game.


No, because there are no bot teams in England, but other than having teams from different levels entering the tournament at different times and having the very early qualifying rounds drawn with geographic constraints (no need for ninth-level teams to travel cross country), the draw is entirely random. There are often times where low level teams are facing off while higher level teams are facing off. And they, like BB, have prize money awarded to the winners which varies based on each round.

In short, the whole idea of a seeded tournament is fine - HT uses that - but a completely random tournament is fun too and definitely has precedent in the real sporting world.

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251069.437 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/6/2014 11:08:18 AM
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My problem with seeded tournament...

Enthusiasm of teams.

If it were seeded... many higher level teams, would no longer have to make choices of... "Do I win a league game, or do I win a cup game? Do I play this player this long and mess up his gameshape or do I play his back-ups? Etc."

Similarly. you'd be taking that away from everyone else too.

The difference is Majority of D. V, and seriously way more D. IV people than you'd think, don't manage enthusiasm or gameshape that well either. So, not only are you giving advantage to the managers that know how to manage this, but you're taking away more possibilities for the D. V human team, or D. IV human team, to crunch time their cup game, and beat a better team in an upset.

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251069.439 in reply to 251069.437
Date: 1/7/2014 12:08:42 PM
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I definitely think that keeping the tournament unseeded is the way to go. New teams need the money to build their franchise's up from the bottom, not to mention it keeps new owners engaged in the different aspects of BB. Older teams don't need the money (sure everyone wants more money) and they don't need the incentive to stay engaged in BB as a whole.

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251069.440 in reply to 251069.20
Date: 1/8/2014 11:18:30 PM
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So true. The seasons are way too long in real time for anyone to stay engaged for a long time in this game.

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251069.442 in reply to 251069.441
Date: 1/9/2014 3:00:34 AM
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So true. The seasons are way too long in real time for anyone to stay engaged for a long time in this game.


I guess the 5+ years old people on here will disagree with you.

As often said, Buzzerbeater is a marathon, not a sprint. I would recommend Cookie Clicker to people willing to have instant gratification on an Internet free game, but that would be mean on my part, that game is quite addictive.


I enjoy the lengths of the seasons on BB. Not sure why that has somehow become a point of contention. Geez.

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251069.443 in reply to 251069.439
Date: 1/9/2014 7:43:04 AM
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I definitely think that keeping the tournament unseeded is the way to go. New teams need the money to build their franchise's up from the bottom, not to mention it keeps new owners engaged in the different aspects of BB. Older teams don't need the money (sure everyone wants more money) and they don't need the incentive to stay engaged in BB as a whole.


I totally agree, the randomness of the draw creates a lot of interest and overall it has a bit of FA Cup magic about it.

In Australia in most seasons there is generally a pretty big upset every couple of weeks in the cup, and the fact its not seeded actually makes it a lot more challenging for the higher Division teams who could otherwise just run with a cheaper roster the first 4 or so weeks of each season.

It also makes for a lot of interest in league games in the higher Divsions, as it gives lower teams who might be fighting to avoid relegation a chance to sneak wins against better teams


On a separate topic, I must confess that Im warming to the GDP as an innovation to improve the game.

I very rarely use it, but its certainly got me thinking a lot more about how I set my team, so that I dont get "read" or become predictable

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251069.444 in reply to 251069.443
Date: 1/9/2014 4:33:02 PM
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Ok so I'm losing the seeded cup argument. Let me ask you this. Would you be opposed to at least getting rid of the Bot teams playing each other in rounds beyond the first?

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251069.445 in reply to 251069.444
Date: 1/9/2014 7:14:27 PM
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yep i would be. random is random and if you seed any of it you should seed it all.
some lucky teams have scored bots this round. its all part of the luck. lower level teams with some luck in the draw can make it deep into the comp. a few seasons ago when i was in Div III 3 different div III sides made the final 16 and 2 od them drew each other so one made it to the final 8.

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