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From: Kukoc

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Obviously it's a compliment + ofcourse I'm also jealous, when our NT debate thread has 49 posts, while yours has 435...

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To: Coco
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VOTE FOR GODBEAR!

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From: Stauder

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When you post it makes me wish you had a podcast debate for our candidates! lol That would be awesome. Jfarb could moderate as the former coach and SpF could do the post debate interviews as the PR director. Would have been epic!

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Date: 8/1/2011 4:25:03 AM
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Lets try to swing that next elections I think we coul pull it off if we had the right people with the know-how

We have a lot of great outside shooters. Unfortunately, we play all our games indoors.
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Date: 8/1/2011 4:37:18 AM
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so I see Jason started around the same time I did, and has been almost as successful as me with apparently all of NBBA and the #1 team helping him (unless I read it wrong)....my question is how the heck does one get a GM/BB status? Something seems off

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Date: 8/1/2011 9:39:44 AM
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From what's being said here it seems that the consensus from all the candidates is that a main obsticle to success is the lack of a 18/18/18ish big man. And that such a big man is not likely to be trained in the near future since foreign owners don't want to train the prospects, and USA I.1 is too competative for an owner to take on the financial risk and train such a player.

So, let's say that, without a big dollop of luck, such big men will not be a reality for the team anytime soon. My question to the candidates is,
1) What are the ideal G / SF prototypes to cover/compliment for our existing frontcourt deficiancies?
2) If such players don't exist now, how would you encourage their training by U21 grads or others so that they exist a few seasons down the line?


Not sure how I missed this question, sorry fewmit.

1) You could take the Silverbacks (NBBA team) approach to winning by absolutely suffocating teams with OD. He recently admitted he doesn't own a single player with greater than 10 ID, and everyone plays LI against him (I just did on Saturday and lost!) and yet he's won 2 straight Cups and is always in the NBBA playoffs. That's insane. So we'd need a slew of 20+ OD guards at the NT level. We already have a bunch on our team, so we've kind of done this already, and I think has helped cover our big men in some ways.
At the SF, it would be great to have an all-around player who was slightly better in big man skills to be able to plug in there, but right now we just don't have that. Velasco is close, but not really what I'm sayingt. It would be fantastic if we could train a player like that for our future.

2) Other than begging someone to bite the bullet and make a monster big man ;-) No, I would just encourage owners to make the types of guards and SF that I mentioned in #1.

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Was I supposed to answer these questions too, Rambo? Didn't know because based on the wording of your previous paragraphs were directed at Jason. Just wondering.

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Boy, lots of directions to go here...Here is where one of my trainees is heading:

JS: 15 JR 8
OD: 20 HA 15
DR: 15 PA 15
IS: 9 ID 5
RB: 3 SB 5

110 points. He's being groomed for my Look Inside attack that I run. Only 125K too, so very affordable.


Yikes. This was a great question by SM, and there are very few wrong answers. In my opinion, this is a wrong answer.

I'm not sure that guy would make the team. If you would have put this player on the NT in season 16, I would be very hesitant to vote for you. For the past couple seasons, our NT has been unable to run an effective LI offense. We just don't have any really good LI bigs to make this offense work, with our without a LI PG. We also have a player with very similar skills, Jamie Nix. Jamie Nix did not make the team last year, because we couldn't run a good LI offense with or without him.

Even if we had the bigs to run a good LI, where would he play? Would you play him at PG over Bronson and Nix? Maybe he could start at SG over Medrano. If we blanked the whole thing, I'm not positive he gets playing time. I don't think this is what was lacking from season 16.


I don't think that this answer can be overstated enough. Like I said earlier, and you said it too, he'd be maybe the 4th or 5th option at guard, if at all. This is another example of the lack of understanding high-level players because he has zero experience with them.

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Date: 8/1/2011 10:11:16 AM
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Namssor has great experience with the USNT and abroad. He has been playing at a high level...yet he has been here since season 2 and never won the NBBA...closest being the semi finals. In the beginning it was easier to get there, and recently he made it back. He is a great manager of his club team nonetheless, but there are some red flags at the highest level IMO.

I think you greatly underestimate how hard it is to just STAY in this league season after season and not relegate. This is my 7th season in the NBBA. I'd dare say there are less than 8-10 teams that have ever done that.
I could blow out my budget this year and buy $900k worth of salaries and maybe make a run at the title (but then mortgage my future and be forced to sell mostly everyone and relegate), but that's not why I play this game. I like to play smart and consistently at the highest level of competition, train some players, and try to make a playoff run.
It's quite hard to strike a balance between budget and competitiveness at the NBBA level, and I think my record shows that I do a mighty fine job of that.

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