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I think the general manager is doing everything he can to improve the team refers to trades, not tactical decisions. Those are covered by the questions relating to games.

I think the general manager is doing everything he can to improve the team refers to trades, not tactical decisions. Those are covered by the questions relating to games.

Currently you could be correct

Again if I can get 5 balls for this criteria, after buying in dud players and then playing them in their worst positions in order to gaurantee that Id lose a game, then there is a problem with the way this criteria is measured.

And if it is just for making trades then whats the point of having it at all as it just directly opposses the other fan survey criteria "I am familiar with the star players, and am not afraid that they will be transferred".

Fixing up the way these 2 criteria are measured as I suggested, will go along way to reducing the financial incentives to tank.

IMO something also needs to be done to get rid of the bots out of leagues.

Having a bot team in your conference enables teams to sell off their rosters, free from any concern that they can be auto relegated. i.e bots encourage tanking

Perhaps if a team goes bot, either through lack of interest or from being suspended for cheating, then that team can be immediately dropped down to division 5.

The top team from a league lower can immediately be promoted to the league from which the bot team was relegated from and be given promotion money as well.

A formula would need to be worked out to position "the promoting replacement team" fairly on a ladder of that higher league part way through a season, something like the number of wins of the bot team and the replacement promoting team are added and divided by 2.

i.e. Team "Fat Boy" is caught cheating in the Division 1.

A time period is allowed for appeals etc, but at most the team will officially go bot in 5 weeks from being caught.

(For a team suspended for cheating I would like this time period reduced to about 2 weeks)

Team" Fat Boy" is now bot and it is round 8 of a season and they have 2 wins and a points difference of -100

A top team from division 2 who had 10 wins and a points difference of + 150 , is instantly promoted into division 1 with promotion money.

They come into the conference from where the bot team was removed with 6 wins (2 +10)/2 and a points difference of +25 (-100+150)/2.

No bot team in div 1 exists and hence there is less enticement for teams in that league to tank. It is then also fairer for the teams in the other conference and plus also less boring for all concerned.

Naturally a team from div 3 would have to be promoted (using the same methodolog) to replace the team in div 2 that was promoted to replace the team that was promoted to div 1.

This "arrangement" would actually make the lower leagues more interesting as well, because it could "open them up for more even competition" by allowing a team that was going to promote anyhow, to be promoted early.

Removal of the bot teams and the promotion of teams that were going to promote anyhow, during the course of a season would certainly freshen up all of the leagues and probably by doing so, keep the interest of managers up so that less teams go bot in the first place.

Good idea?

How many season supporter am I rewarded with?







Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/9/2012 7:19:08 PM

If you expect season supporter for this idea, I would retire you six months if you ever buy one. I'm totally against this idea, because all of the problems this would cause in many leagues and unfairness.

I hope its just a language problem , but in English IMO it almost sounds like your threatening me which I believe to be very "un GM like" behaviour.

Yes I put forward an idea and I joked about being rewarded with free supporter.

If you want to reduce the occurance of tanking then you have to address the root causes.

One cause is the financial incentive and another cause is the presence of bot teams, which take away the threat of auto relegation.

How about you come up with some ideas to address these problems rather than ridiculing mine

I think this would cause a lot of issues. For example, how would scheduling work? Would the promoted team inherit the other teams schedule? In the situation you proposed, they would have to edit or discount past schedules in order for your for solution to work. Also, What about in small nations? How would they field full divisions?
Also, I doubt the promotion money alone covers the cost of buying new players (at least in the USA, I can't really comment about the state of other nations). Teams spend seasons preparing for promotion. Prematurely promoting them can destroy their plans and possibly make them relegate and start over. They might even go bot themselves. I agree with Perpete when he says that it will cause more problems then it solves.
Also, when I am making a joke that could be misconstrued, I usually add a winky face [ ;) ] to avoid people tajing the remark seriously.
So, how many balls do I get for this post ;)

Last edited by lamchops at 7/9/2012 9:18:56 PM

After numerous seasons in div 2, in Season 15 I backed a hunch that players would be cheap during the Allstar week.

I sold players 2 or 3 weeks before the Allstar week who whilst being good players, they werent good enough to get me to Div 1, and the week of the Allstar game I spent 5 or so million on 3 players.

I ran a huge loss for that season and whilst winning the final, would have been declared bankrupt if I had of failed to sell one of my brought in guns on the Sunday that the last final was played, just a few hours before the financial update on the Monday that would have ruined me.

I proceeded to fight Season 16 in Div 1 and from memory got six wins and finished 7th and got relegated.

Experienced Managers were saying that I forced my way into getting promoted "before i was ready" and then by not laying down and tanking, that the experience would set me back several seasons.

I started season 17 back in div 2 with a negative bank balance but through a lot of experience that Id learned through seasons 15 and 16, managed to repromote straight back up.

Therefor my opinion that the argument that

"Prematurely promoting them can destroy their plans and possibly make them relegate and start over"

is not always true.

I believe that until round 14 or so it is feesible to promote teams to replace bots, with the system I proposed in my post 218937.440.

If I hadnt of rolled the dice I wouldnt of got out of div 2 and I probably would have lost interest and gone bot

With regards to the fan survey issue and the need to financially penalise teams by reducing attendances, what about the ideas I put forward in my previous post 218937.438 ????

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/9/2012 11:03:36 PM

Honestly I feel like the league salary floor should be increased first. That takes away possible cash to get a star from TL before relegation games start. Then fix the fan survey so you are hurt for a bad losing streak. Also, why don't we have a deadline for playoff and relegation buys so you can't buy a guy for a series. Just make a deadline for all competitive league games(playoff and relegation), and there shouldn't be that much of a problem

Sorry Sid I am with the GM here this is a bad idea. You aren't thinking from the point of view of the teams in division II. If one of them is suddenly yanked up because they had +2 PD more than another one his would sem very arbitrary. Then the team that was promoted would be thrust with no warning into a different level of competition they weren't ready for. They could end up being relegated then instead of a whole season in the ABBL they would have just a few weeks and then get a punishing fan survey the next season through no fault of their own. It isn't even fair on teams that didn't promote, it would totally change the league dynamic, teams that may have already had plans would have to change them, man it would just be a huge mess and it would send ripples down everywhere. It isn't just in the ABBL, there are division II bots all the time, ah the horror of teams just bouncing around everywhere.

the horror of teams just bouncing around everywhere.

So you agree its a way to make the game more dynamic?

lol that a very statement