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OK, enough meta-discussion. Talk about what you're talking about, not how you're talking about it. Or I can just close this up.

When someone is constantly calling someone ignorant, full of crap, dont know anything, grow up, etc etc. it is hardly trying to have a discussion with someone. I call personal attacks and insults a flame and I stand by that. You have no idea what I know about hockey, especially based on a discussion about some trade everyone barely remembers the particulars of, at least outside of Canada. Saying I dont know anything about hockey based on this discussion is not only an ad hominem argument, it is a flame. Tough guy was a joke, maybe you prefer sizzle chest? The three people I showed this thread to all said some version of 'he was looking for a fight or argument' and to me fight+insults=angry.

Yes, I overstated the importance of Janet Jones in Gretzky's coming to LA. It was a silly little thread about greatness and I quipped. I had no idea it would cause such a stir in you as it did that you felt you needed to harshly correct/insult me in order to...what...defend Gretzky's honor? I apologize for overstepping sensitivities, no joke.


The links Illustrate my point more than you saw, imo. Gretzky was leaving Edmonton for the reasons you said. However it was still in the air where he would actually land, though only a few teams at the time could afford him, including Vancouver and Detroit as well as the Kings. The Great One was able to in some form dictate the terms of the trade to McNall before accepting, which tells me he had a no trade clause or something similar, I dont know and I dont remember, dont care at this point either.

Gretzky had choices

Gretzky was planning on spending a large portion of his offseason in LA to be with his wife


Gretzky never negotiated with any other team but the Kings.

McNall agreed to almost every term Gretzky laid out, and why wouldnt he? Of course he is going to do everything Gretzky wants, but you make it sound like it was McNall who told Gretzky what was up.

It is not any kind of stretch to think that at least of portion of Gretky's decision to approve the Kings was due to being near his wife. What is so wrong with that? For some reason the thought of Gretzky wanting to be near his wife upsets you. Why? (rhetorical)

Dont feel sorry for me bro, I live 300 yards from the beach in a nice house, and my hot beautiful GF just showed up with movies, snacks and beer. I am doing ok.

harshly correct/insult me

Again, if you though that was harsh you have some serious growing up to do.

Tough guy was a joke

Obviously. It was just a stupid one.

Saying I dont know anything about hockey based on this discussion is not only an ad hominem argument, it is a flame.

That isn't precisely correct, but any explanation why would go way to far over your head. Lets just say that it always seems to be people like you who instantly resort to ad hominem every time you feel insulted.

Gretzky never negotiated with any other team but the Kings.

It took you about a thousand words to get here, but this is the essential point of your argument. It is true, but only to a point because the Kings WERE THE ONLY TEAM TO APPROACH GRETZKY DIRECTLY.

you make it sound like it was McNall who told Gretzky what was up.

How does stating that McNall approached Gretzky sound anything like that? It doesn't. Lovely straw man though.

Dont feel sorry for me bro, I live 300 yards from the beach in a nice house, and my hot beautiful GF just showed up with movies, snacks and beer. I am doing ok.

I know this is not true because of the following:

The three people I showed this thread to all said some version of 'he was looking for a fight or argument'

Why would you waste your time showing this to anyone at all if that was true? How can this conversation be that important to you?

Isn't it amazing though how everyone you meet on line has an incredibly perfect life. Tell me again about your wonderful life. Fascinating, really.

fight+insults=angry

...oooorrrrrr it could mean I've found someone who takes everything personally and thinks everyone else does as well, and I have some time to kill. Just because you are easily insulted yourself does mean that everyone else is equally thin-skinned.

All I said was that I hated it when people spread that story. I will tell you this one more time - IT IS JUST A SAYING. AN IDIOM. A THROW-AWAY PHRASE. It means nothing more than an expression of mild irritation, akin to rough toilet paper if you will. The sooner you learn this type of thing the easier it will be for you to avoid conversations like this n'est-ce pas?

Now will you please just let it go? I'll even pretend I believe you have a girlfriend if you just stop. This conversation was entertaining until you started with the make believe, and now I'm just bored.

OK, we're done.