You just took what I wrote out of context.
you said:
Like I said, I prefer Messi, but you trying to make Ronaldo achievements count less is pathetic.
I said let's measure them in number. Messi comes out handily on top, both in individual awards, individual records AND in team success.
In fact you are the one who is "trying to make Messi achievements count less" by saying that one of Messi's Ballon d'Or was gifted to him. I didn't even argue about that, because the numbers are clearly showing that one of them is better than the other and only one of them as a legitimate case for GOAT.
Messi
5x Ballon d'Or (for now)
4x Champions League titles
8x National titles
1x Olympic champion (since you insist to count the NT...)
Ronaldo
4x Ballon d'Or
3x Champions League
4x National titles
1x Euro championships
I don't see how the 2 are remotely equal.
I said Xavi and Iniesta carried Spain NT... Not Barcelona. They were key pieces in Barca team, but ofcourse Messi was most important player... But you just take random stuff out of context as it suits you.|
you said:
He played with Xavi and Iniesta (two players that carried Spain national team for six years), two top midfielders that dont score goals, but rather assist.
Man, you said Xavi and Iniesta carried Spain and were key pieces in Barcelona and their contribution was mostly assists. Then I proved to you that Messi had more assists than either of them, plus scoring 3 times more goals than both together.
This has to be one of the most egregious points ever. Besides, if you really like Messi, as you claim, you should know he scores plenty of goals where he goes 20m with the ball embarrassing 3 or 4 defenders and beating the keeper. They don't count the last pass as an assist for those...just to be clear.