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-Daytraders do not have a monopoly on the transfer list, so they cannot constantly raise prices. All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value. A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

Not true. A smart trader stops before the player reaches market value, otherwise he runs a high risk to loose money on the trade.

All you say make sense and I fully agree on it.
But with the current situation day trading is much more profitable than a good training program and team scores (in terms of the more victories the higher income).
Chespirito got to the point with his post (in particular the second point).

Hopefully the new agent's commission will re-equilibrate the situation. Many players wouldn't like a game where the guy who spends the most time on the transfer market wins.

Edited by Newton07 (12/12/2007 7:21:54 PM CET)

Last edited by Newton07 at 12/12/2007 7:21:54 PM

Sorry but if the prices of players are rising, this is not iflation? And who is that tries to make biz offering for players? The day trader so they make some contribute to the inflation, imho ;)
You've reason for the third point but a smart day trader is "acceptable", I totally disagree with people that makes a lot of, at this point I can say, "exchanges". Anyway consider that they've also a team and when they decide to change their best player they can do that without problem, today I've seen offers from day trader for more than 500k/player, it means that they don't limit the range at very poor players but they are raising the target, simply because they've more money to spend (or waste). Last, if you have 1000 day trader, be sure they will monopolize the market, for this reason it should be good to stop the bleeding until we are in time. This is my personal opinion of course but believe me in Italy (and as far as I can see not only in Italy) nobodyy except traders is happy to make bids against "big traders" ;)

because this is not an "economic game" where wins who is able to realize more profit

Sorry but that is not true! The hole Game based upon on money, money for trainer player, stadium... It is not a game which is like a Playstation where you play with an joystick! Without economy the game does not work - my opinion!

I agree with you completely on the first two points, and partially on the third.

But I completely disagree with you here: All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value.

This point directly contradicts what you said here: No one person can say what the real market value of a player is

Essentially you are arguing that daytraders are the referees of the transfer market. It is, according to you, up to the daytraders to decide what constitutes fair market value. Not those people who would like to buy a player to improve their squad: it is up to those people with the most economic clout.

Lets say that there is a player on the TL. Two managers are looking at his player page: one is a new manager, in a low division, seeking a trainee. The other is a daytrader, an established club in a higher division, who sees this player as being 'undervalued'. You are arguing that the daytrader, who will almost certainly outbid the other manager, should be entitled do do so because he is rich and wants to become richer, unless the new manager is willing to overpay for the player.

Your words: A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

A daytrader will only not bid on a player if they cannot financially profit from the player. Never mind what the vast majority of non-daytraders feel, it's more important to protect the interests of a few selfish individuals who just want to make a bit of money without effort.

This game has an in-built economy, but it is not an economic simulator. It is a basketball game, and should be played as one.

because this is not an "economic game" where wins who is able to realize more profit

Sorry but that is not true! The hole Game based upon on money, money for trainer player, stadium... It is not a game which is like a Playstation where you play with an joystick! Without economy the game does not work - my opinion!

It is true that the game does not work without the economy, but that does not mean that the game should be about economics.

As an example a Ford Mustang has four wheels, but still it isn't a wheel, it is a car. So even though the wheels are needed to make the car work the car isn't a wheel nor should it be only about wheels.

I agree with you completely on the first two points, and partially on the third.

But I completely disagree with you here: All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value.

This point directly contradicts what you said here: No one person can say what the real market value of a player is

Essentially you are arguing that daytraders are the referees of the transfer market. It is, according to you, up to the daytraders to decide what constitutes fair market value. Not those people who would like to buy a player to improve their squad: it is up to those people with the most economic clout.

Lets say that there is a player on the TL. Two managers are looking at his player page: one is a new manager, in a low division, seeking a trainee. The other is a daytrader, an established club in a higher division, who sees this player as being 'undervalued'. You are arguing that the daytrader, who will almost certainly outbid the other manager, should be entitled do do so because he is rich and wants to become richer, unless the new manager is willing to overpay for the player.

Your words: A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

A daytrader will only not bid on a player if they cannot financially profit from the player. Never mind what the vast majority of non-daytraders feel, it's more important to protect the interests of a few selfish individuals who just want to make a bit of money without effort.

This game has an in-built economy, but it is not an economic simulator. It is a basketball game, and should be played as one.

Xlnt post.. Ive read it twice and now you can..

Essentially you are arguing that daytraders are the referees of the transfer market. It is, according to you, up to the daytraders to decide what constitutes fair market value.

I think there the point was not that daytraders decide market value, but rather that they recognize market value.

Daytrading is only profitable if you can get someone else to pay more than what you payed for the same product. A daytrader doesn't decide that a players market value should be higher than what is being offered, he/she recognizes throught time spent on the TL that someone would pay more for that player at a different time.

A daytrader doesn't decide that a players market value should be higher than what is being offered, he/she recognizes throught time spent on the TL that someone would pay more for that player at a different time.

You are agreeing with me: the daytrader is deciding what they think the market value should be and charging accordingly.

Daytraders prey on the inefficiencies of the market, buying players when there is a minimum of competition and selling when there is the maximum. If all users were able to list their players to sell at the peak times, daytrading would be limited. Instead, daytraders exploit this feature of the market.

do you think the guys trading the 500k plus players did this since day 1??

it is possible for anyone new to try and daytrade if this forms part of there long term strategy.....

but you have to build up a working capital in order to do this.... my roster has at times been down to 4-6 people and i have therefore not been optimizing my training..

i will go back to my original point... not all day traders make money and some will be stuck with too many overheads...

fair play to the managers that have made good profits from this technique..

its the same for managers training their players efficiently vs those that don't.

should they also be penalised for having great training regimes???

lets put is this way, if you're not a DT in this game, you're punished for having a LIFE(and not sitting all day next to the computer and do day trading...)