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251520.445 in reply to 251520.444
Date: 4/5/2017 3:29:13 PM
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What's up with this I would ask you guys.


They scored to tie the game with one second left, and then a non-shooting foul at the buzzer. I can only assume that the player is a Vanderbilt graduate.

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251520.446 in reply to 251520.445
Date: 6/27/2017 4:15:44 PM
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Can someone please explain to me what went wrong in my last game? This is truly disappointing because I obviously have better players than my opponent and my offensive strategy was outside but the opponent's defensive strategy was inside. I am respectfully asking GM's to take a look at their game algorithms because this doesn't really make sense. It happened to me before and I am mad because this happened to me again.


http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/97296669/boxscore.aspx

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251520.447 in reply to 251520.446
Date: 6/27/2017 4:38:30 PM
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1) Some bad luck, it happens sometimes to perform worse, then excepted.
2) How OD/ID/SB of your SF looks? You've been destroyed in this matchup, mostly because of lack of luck, but I would also suspect lacks of OD, as your opponent managed to go 7/12 in 3FGs from this position. Tabangay could also score a lot from inside due to his IS (or your low ID/SB).

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Date: 7/1/2017 2:09:14 PM
Kira Kira Koseki
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Glaring hole at the SF spot got endlessly relentlessly exploited.

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Date: 7/6/2017 1:47:43 PM
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Wow, I didn't see that coming: (98022324)
I was completely destroyed by Full Court Press. Can someone explain me if that match was just an unlucky result?

Now since opponent plays FCP, I should have better offensive flow, I agree. But I didn't have any choice regarding that, and I ended up with 27 TOs, which is understandable. Against that, I had 8 more offensive rebounds and as a result my opponent had around 10 more attacks than me.

I think I selected the best tactic for this match, considering that my team is much more outside focused.

But let's check position comparisons. I'm much better than my opponent in every position but he shot with around 56%, but he mostly played with reserve players in the 4th quarter. Opponent starters shot with 60% percent, and if they played, they might have scored 160-165 points! How could that happen considering player comparisons?

I expected a huge performance drop from the opponent because of high tempo match and FCP but no, my performance dropped more in-game. Is FCP an OP defensive tactic for lower level divisions? I barely allow 100 points in my league, but a 4th division team scored 150 against me, and they could have scored 160+!

So I'd be greatful if someone can explain this match to me. If this one was played 100 times, how many times I would win?

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Date: 7/6/2017 4:36:02 PM
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Slow offenses generally destroy FCP, for future reference. If you had played Princeton, I think you win. 27 turn overs is a lot, but that's because of the hectic nature of your fast paced offense and his fast paced defense. I still think most times, you win this game and got a little unlucky.

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251520.453 in reply to 251520.450
Date: 7/6/2017 5:25:39 PM
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Wow, I didn't see that coming: (98022324)
I was completely destroyed by Full Court Press. Can someone explain me if that match was just an unlucky result?


When your defense allows 150 points in a game that includes 12 minutes of garbage time, it's not entirely fair to say that the opposition's defense is what lost you the game. ;)

As far as the comparison in division, the players they started are at least significantly higher in salary than yours. That could mean little if your players are very well trained and the opponents' are not, but the odds are good that in this case his starters are better than the players you started, who appear to be normally your backups).

I think I agree with EBW in general that slower tactics are usually better against FCP unless you have horrible offensive flow, since it gives you a little better chance to take advantage of the reduced defense by probing for a better quality shot that should be available. On the other hand, you also scored 135, shot 55% and a over 40% from three, so I don't think your offense is the problem either.

In the end, it just looks like their offense was actually good enough that you were struggling to get defensive stops, and neither team missed too many shots for the rebounding advantage to really be effective, and thus the extra possessions gained from the 22 steals won the day.

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Date: 7/6/2017 7:44:26 PM
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Slow offenses generally destroy FCP, for future reference. If you had played Princeton, I think you win. 27 turn overs is a lot, but that's because of the hectic nature of your fast paced offense and his fast paced defense. I still think most times, you win this game and got a little unlucky.


I thought faster offence would suit better against FCP. As the opponent has many openings due to FCP, I thought there is no reason to pass the ball for at least around 15-16 seconds and shoot it with a good chance to score. Plus, as it can be seen, I had low level of offensive flow to play e.g. motion offence effectively.

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Date: 7/6/2017 7:59:21 PM
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When your defense allows 150 points in a game that includes 12 minutes of garbage time, it's not entirely fair to say that the opposition's defense is what lost you the game. ;)


Okay but I see FCP as a counter attacking strategy to convert successful defensive possessions to offensive possessions. My opponents' starters shot with 60% and I believe that there is no way, with the exception of FCP, that team could shot with that percentage.

As far as the comparison in division, the players they started are at least significantly higher in salary than yours. That could mean little if your players are very well trained and the opponents' are not, but the odds are good that in this case his starters are better than the players you started, who appear to be normally your backups).


I agree that my opponent has better players as it can be seen from salaries and end-game ratings but how come I have around 30 more average points per 100 offensive possessions? I think I got the edge. I'm not asking this to criticise your points but as an inexperienced coach, I wonder.

I don't claim that my players are trained perfectly but they are kind of multi-skill so they have lower salaries than they actually deserve. :)


Apart from my match, in principle, what do you think about usage of FCP in lower leagues? I think necessities for FCP are not that much. Basically it needs OD, and stamina. Stamina is a very fast training skill. With the addition of relatively high OD and some offence, I guess FCP might outclass relatively low offensive flows of lower leagues.

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