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191253.446 in reply to 191253.362
Date: 8/1/2011 10:11:16 AM
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Namssor has great experience with the USNT and abroad. He has been playing at a high level...yet he has been here since season 2 and never won the NBBA...closest being the semi finals. In the beginning it was easier to get there, and recently he made it back. He is a great manager of his club team nonetheless, but there are some red flags at the highest level IMO.

I think you greatly underestimate how hard it is to just STAY in this league season after season and not relegate. This is my 7th season in the NBBA. I'd dare say there are less than 8-10 teams that have ever done that.
I could blow out my budget this year and buy $900k worth of salaries and maybe make a run at the title (but then mortgage my future and be forced to sell mostly everyone and relegate), but that's not why I play this game. I like to play smart and consistently at the highest level of competition, train some players, and try to make a playoff run.
It's quite hard to strike a balance between budget and competitiveness at the NBBA level, and I think my record shows that I do a mighty fine job of that.

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191253.447 in reply to 191253.386
Date: 8/1/2011 10:16:51 AM
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Yeah that would be ideal maybe we should Have like a Primary next year where the candidates understudy for an NT manager during the last few matches before the elections


You mean, like, exactly what I did?

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191253.448 in reply to 191253.378
Date: 8/1/2011 10:19:26 AM
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Yeah sorry man I've either already answered most of these questions (go to the first post of this thread and filter on my name for all my answers), or you're asking for specifics about players and tactics that shouldn't be public because we don't wanna give anything away to our scheming enemy countries!

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191253.449 in reply to 191253.394
Date: 8/1/2011 10:32:41 AM
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The NT coach is a figurehead and the biggest job is delegation and building the community. Jason is the better person for that job. I've interacted with him before and he has always been super helpful and VERY responsive.


Community: I built an entire New Zealand NT (and club-level, really) community from practically nothing when I was their NT. There was no offsite, no forum talk, no training help, nothing. The improvement they made in the 6 seasons I was there was incredible.

Delegation: I recently organized my federation's (BuzzerBeater's Best) Private Leagues division structure (8 PLs, 112 teams). No one was stepping up and time was running out, so I figured out who relegated/promoted within our PL structure, who wanted to join, where to fill the gaps, etc. From there I talked to players from the individual leagues to get their particular PLs organized. And it was completely successful.
Also, I work for a major defense contractor and work on an important US Air Force simulation tool and manage a decent budget as well as 5 programmers/modelers.

Just thought I'd give my side of the story.

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191253.450 in reply to 191253.449
Date: 8/1/2011 11:00:27 AM
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Also, for those not sufficiently "in the know", regarding Jason's organizational skills. He made the decision to try to throw together his little PL Network leagues with the organizational data posted on a Wednesday and assuming that the leagues would start that Friday morning. So, there's his organizational skills for everyone that didn't personally experience them in that little fiasco.

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191253.451 in reply to 191253.402
Date: 8/1/2011 11:04:21 AM
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That may be spot on. 70 times in 3-4 months is higher activity rate, however Namssor himself is touting his involvement since '09. This is very deceiving. Basically he has been involved for 1 season then? See what I'm saying? Either way, it's neither here nor there I guess, but if you are going to make a point to tell everyone you've been on the offsite since '09, I would think you would have been active since that time...


In addition to my explanation of lack of posting being the NZ coach, where should I be posting all of these messages on the offsite? On the U-21 trainee threads which I don't have any of? On the other domestic scouting threads which are other people's jobs? I read almost everything on those boards, but if I have nothing valuable/useful to contribute to them, why would I post anything? Being active != Being a frequent poster. Just because I don't post on BB or the offsite 24/7, that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing.

Last edited by GM-namssor at 8/1/2011 11:14:48 AM

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191253.452 in reply to 191253.450
Date: 8/1/2011 11:11:36 AM
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Also, for those not sufficiently "in the know", regarding Jason's organizational skills. He made the decision to try to throw together his little PL Network leagues with the organizational data posted on a Wednesday and assuming that the leagues would start that Friday morning. So, there's his organizational skills for everyone that didn't personally experience them in that little fiasco.


LOL, not that it really matters...but any of the PL that were started on Thursday, did start Friday.

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191253.453 in reply to 191253.386
Date: 8/1/2011 11:29:44 AM
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Yeah that would be ideal maybe we should Have like a Primary next year where the candidates understudy for an NT manager during the last few matches before the elections

I haven't really posted in here, partly because it looks like we have two excellent options, but I just want to clarify on this... when I started implementing a staffing system, one of the positions I created was "opposition scout". This was as close to coach duties as one can get-- basically, scouting our next opposition and coming up with a preliminary set of tactical options and a game plan. I did this largely because I knew I wasn't going to be running again, and wanted to make sure we had some good options for NT coach after I left. jfarb took this role, was fantastic in it. Namssor was great in this role for jfarb this past season, and while this should not guarantee anyone an election win, the idea was to make sure we had at least one experienced, viable coaching option, so that even if they lost (presumably to someone even more qualified) the transition would be seamless, and we'd be left in good hands (as well as easing the load on the coach, of course).

I guess I'll pose a question along these lines to namssor and jason, then: how do you see the staff roles (not including scouts) changing with you in charge? How much are you comfortable delegating when it comes to actual game plan and roster selections? Although obviously you will have the final say, would you prefer to have defined staff roles or unstructured community involvement? What other roles beyond those that we currently have would you find useful?

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191253.454 in reply to 191253.452
Date: 8/1/2011 11:31:03 AM
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My point is that you showed a rather severe misjudgment in organizational matters to try to throw five 10-team private leagues together with 24 hours notice. Granted, I'm a little personally involved in the matter since I would have wound up excluded from my league (that I turned down a PL request from a group of friends to join, in addition to waiting roughly a month since my last PL ended) due to not having my supporter lengthened if I hadn't happened to log in and check during my lunch break on Thursday.

So, you're running on a platform of your club team's success (despite having zero league games above division III when registering, and requiring THREE seasons and a 2.5M draft pick to get out of IV), and your organizational skills. Wouldn't you say it should matter to the voters, since YOU made your organizational skills part of your platform?

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191253.455 in reply to 191253.453
Date: 8/1/2011 12:01:16 PM
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I guess I'll pose a question along these lines to namssor and jason, then: how do you see the staff roles (not including scouts) changing with you in charge? How much are you comfortable delegating when it comes to actual game plan and roster selections? Although obviously you will have the final say, would you prefer to have defined staff roles or unstructured community involvement? What other roles beyond those that we currently have would you find useful?


You know Wozz, my experience has been questioned a lot in this campaign...even a few minutes ago someone put a negative spin on the actual experience that I do have...I fully understand that in any situation of becoming the NT coach, and especially considering my lack of NT experience, and that becoming the NT coach would mean winning the election against a guy who is clearly qualified, the last thing I would want to do is come in and throw my weight around.

First thing I would do, is to beg Namssor to stay in his same role. This would help with a seemless transition. Jfarb has promised he is here to help out whoever wins, and I would rely heavily on him, and guys like Coco and Jelme and you if you all say involved as active advisors. I would be more than comfortable delegating any responsibilities.

There is only one real reason to vote for me without bringing up things that I am capable of doing, or will be able to do...and thats my ability and willingness to go into the community, get people involved, and help build this program that way. That task will have a much bigger impact if I am the NT coach, rather than a staff member in my opinon. So I would do my best to not rock the boat as far as the system or staff is concerned, I would rely on the guys already running the team now as advisors, I woiuld contrinbute where I can in that regard, and I would roll up my sleeves and go to work on building this community to even higher levels than it has reached.

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191253.456 in reply to 191253.454
Date: 8/1/2011 12:22:59 PM
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so we have 60 people who say Jason did a good job. and one guy complaining he missed the boat? can't please everyone i guess.

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