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We are in total agreement.

However it is not so easy to solve.
Group small communities together, at which time will the games be played ? Which language will they speak on the forum and amongst themselves ?
I think this can be overcome but users of these communities have to reach a consensus on a solution, gather in large numbers and lobby heavily for the solution to be implemented or it won't happen.

I will make a suggestion. I know it is not the easiest technically speaking.

Create a new level at the top of the pyramid.
The four best teams of a small country are promoted to a new international 16 teams league grouping 4 small countries.
Those teams are probably and understandably so eager to meet new and better competition that they may be willing to overlook the small inconveniences it will create.

So that would be in the first season :
a D.I grouping 16 teams, the best 4 of 4 small countries in the first season. 2 countries in each conference, better for demotions, i'll explain further down.
4 D.II (the former D.I of 4 small countries), 16 teams, all from the same country
etc...

A cluster of only 4 countries will make it easier to work around time zones problems and language too in some cases.
From D.II down, the structure will retain a national league structure.

The big, very big problem is that revenues will have to be changed and D.I teams which aren't promoted to the international league will have to do with D.II revenues and D.II with D.III revenues etc. It will be very hard to have the GMs accept that. So this suggestion is actually doomed from the start unless there is a strong and unselfish will for a real change :(

Another problem is the promotion/demotion. D.II champions would have to be promoted to the international league. The demoted team from the international league MUST be the same nationality. One team from each the 4 four represented countries in the international league would be demoted, the worst ranked one. Each would be relegated to their own national league structure.
The international league would be a special league with special rules.

edit : feedback and critical minds welcome

Last edited by Manouche at 1/22/2012 1:51:22 PM

At the end of the day, it's down to the users of these leagues to discuss solutions.
Sometimes, there are two many not affected members monopolizing the debate. If the affected members can't organize to have their voice heard then it's because they are fine with the current situation.
But no solution will be easy to implement and merging leagues will have all kind of side effects.

well this will be amazing stereotypes but here goes

top 10 nations
spain 1 & usa 4 - loves basketball, loves computer games, rich nation & big population
turkey 5, lithuania 7 & greece 8- obsessed with basketball, medium populations
china 9 - like basketball, love computers, redic population
france 6 & italy 2 - big population, love computer games, rich, love soccer so maybe used to management type games
poland 3 - totally adore and games anytime & too cold to do anything else
brazil 10 - no idea

japan - loves computer games, rich nation, big population

seems good but someone made a great point about the types of games they like

japan is all flashing neon & fast fast fast

every 6 yo kid has a psp & an x-box

they r brought up on high end graphics & fast game play with things constantly exciting

not exactly bb

so maybe your typical japanese gamer isnt interested in management games at all, being basketball as well & not baseball or sumo makes it even worse

it may just be a bad cultural fit

Hehe, you under-estimate Turkey in size and Poland in weather ;)

dont drink and post! What you wrote here, is just a bunch of random nonsense.

Poland statement made me laugh so hard. Poland is not Siberia.

dude im from australia

when it is 15 degrees we are all rugged up & stay inside

on the tallest mountains in the middle of winter peeps are often skiing on fake snow in shorts

but i agree & i said @ the start it was probably going to be random rubbish

Here is not the best place to seriously start discussing it. True, it's a remote place of the forum. And it's english only which excludes those who don't speak english or aren't confident enough to post in english.

It should start in each national forum and eventually by bb-mail (without spamming) and when a reasonable consensus on what to do is reached, presented here. I don't see it happening any time soon :(

Well... besides the fact that the system of promotion seems to be somewhat broken (it appears as if this is even the case with larger nations) and really is in need of a fix, the reality as it is with the case of Japan is that the system of having the lower numbered leagues within division II fill first is pretty much ensuring that new guys are less likely to stay. And I think that all agree that Japan as a nation should be much, much bigger than 20-30 users.