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It's bizarre how people just don't get it:)

exactly.

i wish a bb would just come in here and let them know what we have been trying to tell them
the current situation in italy and spain is because you have hit the salary cap in all div's
which is how they intended it to be, give it time and other countries will do the same.

if any changes are to be made about the amount of money that you can make in lower div's
then the changes must be global changes , which in turn wont fix a thing as it will just give every team more money.

you guys keep saying we are not getting it, when in fact its you guys that are not getting it, YOU HAVE HIT THE SALARY CAP FOR YOUR DIV.
meaning you need to tactically out play your direct opponents , out train them , or get more multiskilled players so that you get more out of your salary.

there your choices like every other team in buzzerbeater.

deal with it

I just really dont understand.

I think that is a matter of time. People has no patience at all. They want to earn big amounts and have a dream team, imagine the game if that happen.

If i dont have money, i dont push for a player, if i cant pay the coach salary then i dont contract him.

Simple as that. I earn each week 25k and dont complain at all, ppl the point of the game is in long term...not in short.

Think a bit!

the game is working how its intended.

No,this is false,and I will explain you why

The goal of a BB user is to be the best in the world,so to allow everyone to win the BBB,the incomes in the various countries are the same.To be the best in your division,you should build the best team possible to be promoted and to have the possibility to reach always a better level.So,in the ideal condition,the incomes/expenses ratio in the various divisions and in the various leagues should be near 0(as many times the same BBs declared).While a weaker league reach the level of the strongest teams,the user of a small countriy,gain money that they should spend to close the gap and so returning towards the ideal economic situation,when everyone is around 0 level;in this period of time the teams of the stronger leagues would be disadvantaged on the global market,but for a short period of time.

That is the point where the theorically perfect economical system fails drammatically in the reality.While Italy,Spain,the top and medium divisions of germany,france and so on have fastly reached the "right" incomes/expenses ratio,the large part of the countries still doesn't reach that point,and it doesn't seem that they will reach it soon.
Your country,Australia,is a perfect example for this situation.In australia the game started in season 2,you have a godd userbase(740 active users)...but you are still able to have a team in II division spending around 230k with the incomes of a II division(430k,with the possibility to arrive to 500k),so having a great advantage on the global market

The problem is that what in the Bbs minds should have been a temporarily disadvantage on the market of the users of the more competitive countries,especially of the users of medium-small division,practically has become a permanent advantage on the market of your countries teams.And I yet wrote a long post in which I demostrate how the market can influence the destiny of a team,also if the team is in the same economic condition of the other teams in his division

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reddaddy answered to my post with an absolutely non-sense,because if I have a team only slightly worse than an another user,but I have the money to buy another player that he doesn't have,it means that I was a better or more lucky manager than my adversary in economic administration.But if a team of small country outbid me only because of a distorsion in the economic situation,and I know that this distortion is not temporarily,but practically permanent(returning to the first part of this speech),it means that the system doesn't work,so it needs to be rebalanced

And a further effect,is that,because of your greater power on the market,I am denied or strongly hindered in using some strategies,as for example like blow up my team,because you still have an higher power on the market than me(user of a large country),while the goal of blowing up their team is exactly to sacrifice results in the short time to be very powerful on the market and have better results in the future;that still not considering that in a less competitive country you have an easier way to use this kind of strategies(but the last is another point
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I made a proposal trying to balancing the situation for us,without disadvantaging the teams in your situation,surely it could be improved,but what makes you and other users in bad faith,is the fact that you don't try to understand our points and answer with defaults argument,without trying to explain us why instead the system works well and we are wrong,as we do in our posts and or proposals
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Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/20/2010 1:33:42 PM

ive answered and explained countless times.

you have hit the salary cap, you dont need to be buying players on the tl , unless your selling someone.

once again the game is working as planned.

the other countries will catch up.

australia has come along way in the last 2 seasons.

Maybe stop playing the game if it's too hard for you? Reddaddy said everything perfectly about this situation but you're still whining. It seems that you have only your opinion and don't think about other possible ways. Can't you understand that if your TV contract and merchandise becomes larger other teams in your division get the same thing so the competativity comes to be the same

Here´s what I don´t get about these Spanish and Italian Div II and III.

These divisions are so supercompetitive that ALL teams need to have salaries they can´t afford. Then right before the play offs when they ALL want to buy that last player who will get them ALL promoted, they are outbid by smaller countries managers. So when ALL BUT ONE team fails to promote, and 4 teams relegate, there´s still 11 teams who stays in their division. Now, apparently, these 11 teams, along with the team relegated from the division above, all need to rebuild or they go bankrupt!?!

So now there´s 4 promoted teams with salaries they can afford for 1 season only (because they have planned for several seasons to make their push this very season) and there´s 12 teams that in no way possible can keep their rosters and compete, but still, theres only 4 teams relegating that year too.

I really don´t get it.

Excellent speech Steve!
Sin is useless cause they don't want to understand or..... they are not able to understand!

my question to all the spanish and italian managers complaining in here is simple why should small countries have a lower net salary cap then bigger countries ? , why should we be disadvantaged compared to say italy and spain ? , why should we not be allowed to build up our div's to the same standards as italy or spain?

to reach a II division in Italy I have to spend millions in players, cannot easily expand my seats, so have a reduced cash flow if compared to yours. So when I will reach a II division I will not have plenty of cash or tens of thousand seats that ensures me solid cash flow.

What I wish is to have the same chances of yours to decided whether and where spending my money: if we would be in II division both, we should decide on the same basis among a level 7 trainer, a killer center, a larger amount of seats, etc. At this moment, we cannot.

And let me add that I always based my team politics - as I do with success elsewhere - on a healthy economy, with solid training (and related cash), smart purchase, long term investments, planning one-two seasons in advance!

let me suggest something, that is fun, not too difficult to be implemented, can thrill all players, stimulating more interest in the game.

Now, there is just one international tournament, BBB, reserved to a minimal amount of managers.

Let's introduce International competition per series.

It would be an arcade competition, using the same formula of Consolation Tournament for NT/U21 (nothing to be invented).

There are 5 cups. Each is reserved to teams belonging to one defined series (cup for I series, excluding participants to BBB; II series; etc...). Having the same formula of consolation, you can include a quite large number of teams, as the number of matches is limited. If there are (let's say) 4 teams per nation (but number can be larger, I haven't done calculations), the four will be the ones with better international ranking per each nation.

The tournament would increase the international breadth of the game, and add a piece of interest.

As side effect, it would stimulate cross-country comparison. My expectation would be:
- in first edition(s), teams from more competitive countries would easily win
- as side effect, teams from less competitive countries should spend money to enforce their roster and face stiff competition
- that would produce an avalanche effect where teams of same divisions of formerly less competitive countries should spend money to become competitive, even not participating to international cups

in (some...) seasons that should force some rebalancing.

the number of seasons is probably directly proportional to number of teams admitted per series. that should be carefully defined.