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169813.46 in reply to 169813.45
Date: 1/19/2011 12:47:33 PM
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I play out of position like 1.5season, mostly C at SG. But few times SG at PF/C with Princeton or Push. Never ever smthng like this happened. I didnt watch but can assume that my GuardPF played against big man. He was never that good in 3s for ex. Playbyplay would help.. I will keep playin it and will see but if this is true tactics have to be taken down or game comes crazy. Btw imagine B3 final or playoffs, nt games winning like this..who would play this game?

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Date: 1/19/2011 12:59:10 PM
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My SF scored 63 points, hahahaha.

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Date: 1/19/2011 2:24:44 PM
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At the beginning of BB everybody was saying the same about the now "clasic" tactics. Nobody could understood very well and we needed a few seasons to really understand what the tactics and the rules about them were meaning.
I am reading carefully what people say about the new tactics and watching matches played with them, but I think it is now too early to have a strong opinion about them. They may be buggy but I don´t think we can take now any solid conclusions from one particular game where both team did strange things in their line-up.
From your game, we know that buzzerbeater always "look" for the best shot situation regardless the tactic you choose. This was very clear at the first seasons when playing Look Inside with a good shooter at SG ended with a lot of shots from outside. Why should this be different now?

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Date: 1/19/2011 3:41:09 PM
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I wouldnt say its a junk defense from my in court experiance...Against teams that rely in 1 or 2 players max its really good and it can ruin the opponents game...specially if the star player thinks too much of himself and hasn't got the ball for 2-3 plays then he will probably make a really bad choice when he gets the ball in his hands....With one defender being overplay all the time when he tries to make his move he will have the rotation of the other defenders on him....Most of these "star" players will try to make the basket instead of passing to a teammate....
If the "star" player has brains and experiance he can ruin the defense easily though....


This is for amateur basketball, though. In professional leagues, box and one is a rubbish defence. They're more likely to discuss it as a team and accept to either double team, or over play and try for quick rotations.

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Date: 1/19/2011 4:43:32 PM
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At the beginning of BB everybody was saying the same about the now "clasic" tactics. Nobody could understood very well and we needed a few seasons to really understand what the tactics and the rules about them were meaning.
I am reading carefully what people say about the new tactics and watching matches played with them, but I think it is now too early to have a strong opinion about them. They may be buggy but I don´t think we can take now any solid conclusions from one particular game where both team did strange things in their line-up.
From your game, we know that buzzerbeater always "look" for the best shot situation regardless the tactic you choose. This was very clear at the first seasons when playing Look Inside with a good shooter at SG ended with a lot of shots from outside. Why should this be different now?

I agree.
And to everyone unhappy about your PF taking long-range shot when playing inside isolation: look at the Orlando Magic.
They isolate Dwight Howard inside and he kicks it out for an open three. Rashard Lewis used to play at PF with Orlando and was shooting a lot of 3 after inside isolation. I haven't tried the tactics yet.

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Date: 1/19/2011 7:17:39 PM
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I agree that this is not for pro basketball...But (for short periods of time) you can still see it in a game in pro leagues....

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Date: 1/19/2011 11:03:43 PM
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In all my time of watching NBA, NBL etc, I've never seen it. I've even only seen few amateur teams play it on very few occasions. A "box" zone defence is a strategic nightmare. Offensively it's just too easy to break down.

It may be a good idea for this game, though, considering some managers like to buy a behemoth to base their team around.

I'd like to see different full court presses, or have just the guards pressuring the ball from full or 3/4 court (which is very common in pro leagues). Even combinations of full court and dropping back to m2m or 3-2 zone would be good.

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Date: 1/20/2011 3:38:51 AM
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well there is one different factor: if the inside isolation ends up with best option playin guards at inside with rebounds pulled high there will be no more players higher than 196cm at all.. no inside players in game.. kinda weird isnt it?


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Of course, but this is only based on one particular game. We will need more data.
Then, we really don´t know what "inside" or "outside" isolation mean. We tend to think that they are related to the focus of the attack (like the focus change from Look Inside to Run and Gun). But they perfectly could be related to which kind of player is chosen to be "isolated" in the attack: an inside or an outside player regardless of the focus that could be neutral.
In my opinion, these new tactics are designed "against" man-to-man defense, which are now dominant in the game. If you play zone, then it does not matter if you put a SG at the PF position, because when he shoots from outside he will be defended by a outside defender. But this is just my guess.

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