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From: Rambo

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199844.46 in reply to 199844.26
Date: 11/2/2011 3:27:30 PM
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1. Let's say you start with 12 players on the roster. How do you plan on choosing those 12 players?
2. Name two goals for your term that don't include: win the Americas, win the Worlds or avoid repechage.
3. Lets assume you had two of the best big men in the world. Give me two ways you could try to get their managers to stay in good GS

and the always fun question:

4. If I gave you 90 skill points (not including FT or ST) how would you allocate them?


1. Bigs: 5-6. I think the potential for the bigs are really important. I would theoretically like to limit them to 8 potential and higher, but depending on GS the first few weeks, might have to call up a 7pot big. 7 Potential bigs won't be good enough towards the end of the season. 9 and 10 potential bigs that can continue to improve in season, when everyone else's bigs are capped is crucial.
Guards: 6-7. I would need 7 potential or higher. And there would probably be a minimum level of OD.
SF: 1, maybe.. that would depend on skill set.

The things I would take into account are current GS, and how the manager has previously managed the players GS. If the guy played 48 minutes every game last season, I won't call him up until I'm confident he'll have the proper GS. Also have to take into account the managers training plans. The roster will be chosen based on how the skills can work together. There were a few shooters that we left off the roster this season because we were going to run LI so much.

2. Increase the number of people training players for U21 and discussion on the off-site tactics threads by doing more PR on-site. Get jfarb to be vice president of the Ricky Logsdon fan club. Leave the pipeline of talent in even better shape than it is now.

3. Convince them that they only way they're effective for his club team is if they are in good GS. And merchandise! Allow him to keep the players in 7 and low 8 GS for much of the season, in exchange for training GS when it matters at the end.

4. Why do people always create SF type players with this question?

I want this guy:
3/1/4/1/1/4 - 30/22/23/1

or this guy:
20/18/18/10/10/7 - 1/3/2/1

or:
15/9/7/4/4/8 - 7/17/16/3

...that guy would torch Hammond in a outside offense.


2. Actually there already is a Vice President of the Ricky Logsdon Fan Club: Moflaffle
jfarb can be Historian. Maaaybe.

4. That's actually probably the best answer I've seen to that question yet.

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199844.47 in reply to 199844.31
Date: 11/2/2011 3:28:11 PM
LionPride
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I'm answering this as well since I'll probably have a U21 guy on the team as well.

I'll keep it short. We don't get elected to favor our players over others. If our players happen to fit the scheme we want to run, they'll be played, but it's not because of selfish reasons. In smallfries case, Yi will most definitely be on the team day 1, but we all, including smallfrie, know Yi is only going to play in R@G, and I know my guy will probably only ever play as a R@G Center. The manager should never matter in selecting players to play.

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199844.49 in reply to 199844.48
Date: 11/2/2011 3:37:33 PM
LionPride
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We won't know until we scout everyone. Most NT's are LI, but again we can't be 100% sure on what we run until we scout everyone, and even then I doubt we'll be running the same tactic every game all season.

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199844.50 in reply to 199844.40
Date: 11/2/2011 3:38:29 PM
LionPride
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Irrelevant. My team doesn't deserve a manager like me. They're all slackers.

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199844.52 in reply to 199844.48
Date: 11/2/2011 3:50:59 PM
Smallfries
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Question for potential managers.

If you could choose what the team would be, a rng team, or a li team, what would it be?


My goal isnt to limit the team to only one tactic. I have always been a type of manager to keep the opponent guessing. FoWhat we run will depend on not only the teams we play but also our personnel. If i look into the pipeline and see we are weak in depth in scoring bigs then i might run more RnG than LI. Same goes with the guards. If I see we are weak in depth there then I might run more LI. I have spent some time though looking into the pipeline and have a.pretty good idea where we stand for the next two seasons so if you would like I can talk to you about it on the offsite.

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199844.53 in reply to 199844.42
Date: 11/2/2011 3:53:48 PM
Smallfries
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Would u have a problem if I changed my name to BIG or SUPERSIZEfries?

Not at all because we all know who had the name first :).

From: Panic
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199844.54 in reply to 199844.22
Date: 11/2/2011 3:58:48 PM
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Couple questions for every candidate:
1. Let's say you start with 12 players on the roster. How do you plan on choosing those 12 players?
2. Name two goals for your term that don't include: win the Americas, win the Worlds or avoid repechage.
3. Lets assume you had two of the best big men in the world. Give me two ways you could try to get their managers to stay in good GS?

Rambo- my number 4 answer is below the initial post.

1. With the initial players, I would pick not just talent, but GS. Good players are only effective in good GS. If a manager can't keep a guy on the bubble of making the team in good GS, I'll be more likely to pick someone with GS I can trust.

Talent wise, I would look for flexible players in terms of what they can play, whether it be inside or outside. If we have enough adequate guards, I might lean towards a certain number of those players so that I can play them in a certain tactic if need be. Another important thing for me is potential. If they have room to grow during the season, I'll be more apt to pick them over someone that could cap earlier.

2. A couple goals for my term would be 1. To increase community involvement. An active community is a much better breeding ground for good players and good discussion on tactics before a game., and 2. To encourage safe building of players for club teams. Our managers with long term prospects (HoF NT possibilities) would be much better suited to hold onto their players after becoming U21ers. A goal for me if elected would be to work with them to make players that are not only effective at the U21 level but able to be kept in the States after they turn 22.

3. Bribes. :) Otherwise, I would stress how important to his team keeping the player in good GS would be. Players play better across the board with good GS, and it would be bad for both club and country to be in below average GS.

From: ipsonj
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199844.55 in reply to 199844.53
Date: 11/2/2011 4:00:54 PM
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Question for all candidates:

What is your vote on Rambo's approval rating? (Did you approve of him or not)

Did you ever change your vote on him?

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199844.56 in reply to 199844.51
Date: 11/2/2011 4:01:08 PM
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I have attempted in the past to be a proponent of PTB and if possible, may want to use it in a U21 game if need be.

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