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This was the guy i posted before (in case anyone didnt realise)

why wouldnt he make a good PF trainee, especially for a div iii team?
JR and OD start high and these train slowest. Other guard skills are fine (normally youd see at least one atrocious in my experience). SB is low, which is fine especially for PF where it is less important (compared to C) - but you just neeed to make up work on the big skills. But this is fine because no trainee (affordable) is perfect and at his height the big skills should advance at a decent pace.

i understand from the NT's point of view they would be looking at an MVP trained to potential rather than superstar or lower, i would say that i would be very happy with this guy.

Another thing. I have a PF/C perennial AS who has outside skills that probably arent quite as good as this guys but is been trained to potential on his inside skills. He is doing very well for me in division II even against guys with higher salaries. i would also be tempted to keep him as a bench player in the EBL, should i ever make it, (but i havent planned that far ahead!)

I think it's poor advice when an experienced user tells an new player not to bother training his prospect because he's not good enough to play in the EBBL and quite selfish too. Should the U21 manager not give advice to those who seek it regardless of whether the elite think it's worth or not, especially ones who rely on others to train your own prospects!

It's important to note this player was asking for advice in training his player. At the very least we should be giving advice to help improve his team whether by helping him get maximum money back for training or end up with an solid player this guy can move forward with.

Everyone active in the forums knows the england manager's opinion on starting skills, but your quite simply too dismissive for the role if you outright refuse to help players who seek it, because you know better!

Last edited by Adz (Giants) at 2/13/2012 7:03:06 AM

it totally amazes me how some people dont read the whole message but are so selective and only read what they want to read.

not to bother training his prospect because he's not good enough to play in the EBBL and quite selfish too

first off all I never said this, that he shouldnt train the player just because he isnt EBBL standard, secondly accusing me off selfishness is outrageous, why? because I never said this secondly, what would I benefit from someone training an EBBL level player? Show me where I said something that even remotely sounded like this. Fluff too and Eminence and the rest keep talking about EBBL players etc, not me or elmecca.

It is funny you are talking about the Elite and about people that know better. Show me one post where I have said or sounded like I believe I am elite, secondly show me where I say I know better. Quote me on it. Or someone who you feel thinks or says this.

It's important to note this player was asking for advice in training his player. At the very least we should be giving advice to help improve his team whether by helping him get maximum money back for training or end up with an solid player this guy can move forward with.

the opinions are divided about this. there is no right or wrong. My opinion and someone elses opinion would be not to train this player, your opinion and some other people think they should be trained. we dont agree on this. what is so wrong about this? this is not an elitist idea, this is not someone who knows better, this is just a different opinion, if you cant accept or handly anyone elses opinion without immediatelly calling it elitist or knowing better than stay out off these kind off discussion, there is no room for accusations. If I feel elitist or better than I wouldnt have posted so often my shortcommings on these forums, if I would feel I am like this, I wouldnt go around the bush but say it straight forward.

Like I said, I will not take part into these discussions anymore, not because I feel better and not because I am elitists LOL I am very far from that, if you look at my track record. The reason is why I stop, is because people like yourself read between the lines when there is no between the lines, you cant accept and cant listen to other peoples opinions. I accept them and I respect them, that is why I step down as NT coach, one reason is because I dont have enough time, other reason is because I dont agree with many things being sad on the forums. Not because these people are wrong, they just have a different opinion and I dont want to hamper any progress the NT makes. Is this the mind off an Elitist or someone that knows all? Judge someone when you know them and not because you want to read something into what someone said when they never said this.

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/13/2012 7:28:01 AM

elmacca sometimes sounds a little bit direct and we havent always agreed and we will never be best mates. but I have alot off respect for him. I dont think he ever displayed elitist or "i know best behaviour", he is direct and doesnt hide his opinion, but his intentions are good and he wants to help.

on a side note, looking at the english coaches, past and present he belongs in the top 10 perhaps even top 5. Call this elitist if you want, he just knows what he is doing. I have seen his players in the past when he sold them, like his iranian player that he sells today. My players on many occasions on the same position were better than his, BUT he got me relegated and he is so much better than me. The simple reason is because he understands the GE very well. He won 2 cups already and wouldnt he have had 1 small error (this is my opinion and i am not saying i am right) with his tactics vs sonics he would have won his first title last season after winning 2 cups already. perhaps this feels for you he is elitist because he is such a good coach, but he never said this or showcased such behaviour that he feels elitist himself in all the 14 seasons or so that I play this game...

i didnt realise it is the same guy.

now let me ask you, where did I say he wouldnt make a good trainee? I would train him differently, but where did I say he wouldnt make a good trainee. I very much would like to know.

No, he wasn't asking for advice on training. He asked whether his guy was any good or not as a trainee.
Eminence said he wasn't an U21 prospect but would be a good club player if simeone took the long term view and invested time training him and I took issue with that, as I thought it was poor advice.
My advice was the guy was difficult to train and it wasn't worth it. If the original poster takes my advice, he'll find a better trainee that he can make a more effective player.

Elitism? That comment says more about you than me. I have a lot of experience, and I'm happy to help where I can. Generally, I'm more than happy to let the U21 management team get on with handling the requests for help - but I'm going to intervene if I see what I think is poor advice being given out.

thanks for the advice, did'nt mean to get it into an argument though, I'll sell him and look to buy a better prospect.

it totally amazes me how some people dont read the whole message but are so selective and only read what they want to read. first off all I never said this, that he shouldnt train the player just because he isnt EBBL standard

Then i must point out the irony of your comments based on the fact you didn't look to see who I was actually replying to?

From - Adz (Giants)
To: HoF - Elmacca

And yes he said he wouldn't be a good mid level div 2 player, yet here we have a new player we can bring into the community and help him learn how to play the game properly without any problems we had, yet we have experienced players encouraging teams not to train based on the player not being worthy in their league! It sucks.

This is a player who at least can be a worthy starting slot in an rising team, i dont see many 50000+ pf in my league, really we should be telling this guy to look for another worthy 18/19 C level 7 + prospects with this skillset and train them together, advise him on the merchandise benefit of training your own draft picks, why you need a good coach, etc.

Astragoth, the comment 'elite' wasn't directed towards you, but it says a lot about a man who hears the word 'elite' and then embarks on a paragraph defining description of himself, before commenting on why others have problems. I would describe you as a guy who likes having petty arguments on forums. Elite? don't make me laugh!

Eminence, that is the kind of response that stops you being a great u21 manager.

Comments like this are counter productive my friend, regardless of your experience and undoubted quality team.

Elitism? That comment says more about you than me.

The comment was 'elite', referring to your current status of rank, nothing more dude, i never said the word 'elitism', you are taking this in the wrong context of what was meant.

The point i was making is that you are looking from your point of view based on your ebbl contender role, this guy's trying to promote from div 3!

Last edited by Adz (Giants) at 2/13/2012 9:24:26 AM

I would describe you as a guy who likes having petty arguments on forums.

you are right, it isnt worth it talking to people who make discussions on the forums personal.

And we have an official decision :) We can all calm down now and enjoy our game in a little under 4 hours, hope to see you all there.