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Look Inside tactic STILL far too dominant!

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245985.46 in reply to 245985.44
Date: 7/28/2013 5:52:08 PM
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Like I said, sarcasm doesn't become you. But upon re-reading my post, I was similarly condescending, so I apologize for that. Still, please knock it off.

This is a new team, but is not my first time playing by any means. I formerly was banned for multi-accounting (no money transfers or other shady business involved, which is how I was able to sustain 20+ teams for between 8-13 seasons). While this was against the rules, I did not violate the spirit of the game as I saw it (keeping the game fair for everyone by avoiding tanking/transferring money, etc.), and managing such a sizeable number of teams at decently high levels (although I admit I have never been beyond D.III) gave me experience with many different tactics and training players of almost every conceivable build. While I have reformed (in part because I do not have time to burn on this site anymore), my earlier days have given me a much broader experience than almost any other manager and has made me as knowledgeable as most people in this game. And of course I did get involved with the NT then and still am somewhat distantly involved with the USA offsite/NT community with my current team.

As you say, you led your NT for 10 seasons. That gives you knowledge of your own NT's skills, but doesn't make you any more knowledgeable about the skills of every other opponent. I'm telling you the US does not have JR-heavy PFs (10+), and I would be surprised if your nation had any either. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong on that point.

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Date: 7/28/2013 5:54:48 PM
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I know that many national teams have better players, thank you very much. Poland and Ceska have done excellent jobs of developing multi-skilled big men, as has China (although there is much suspicion about farm teams in their case). Although, even they don't have super-high JR on PF/C, am I wrong? I've seen very high JS/OD/HA/DR/PA but never super high JR, which is what I was saying to King who was insisting that many NTs had such players (PFs with 10+ JR).

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Date: 7/28/2013 6:25:26 PM
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king is very funny.. but truth ful

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245985.49 in reply to 245985.47
Date: 7/28/2013 6:49:34 PM
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only I can say is: Yes We have :) and one off them is on TL from time to time but I agree with You high JR at inside players is rare :)

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245985.50 in reply to 245985.44
Date: 7/28/2013 8:38:06 PM
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You know the skills of NT USA in your second season playing this game, you are the king man! You're awesome!
I'm just a man who lead my NT 10 seasons, who am I to tell you something about the NT-s. You play since season 23 and I since season 3, who am I to tell you something about tactic, GE and etc. Sry mate, it is my bad, you are right, you are the next American Idol.

Good luck, and don't forget, never play LI.

Congratulations. You're the manager of NT for 10 seasons which nobody give a f-word. You are the king! You're awesome! What can you tell me about tactic? "Play LI-MtM"? So much wisdom mate...

From: Coolbobj

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Date: 7/28/2013 9:50:40 PM
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Play LI/M2M is all the wisdom you need in this game.

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Date: 7/29/2013 6:45:03 AM
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In my opinion, you contributed the most in this thread, in terms of speaking as high profile manager/team that plays in one of the biggest BB countries' top league, while using motion and doing excellently.

To my amazement, nobody seems intrigued by your comments and your input, in order to ask you more about it. I hope that this is because all concerned parties in this thread, are currently studying your team...

My belief on the subject, is that BALANCE AND DYNAMICS are the keys for all tactics.

And yes, sometimes more is less and vice versa. As you said, you did fine with less than "expected" JS/JR for your SF, while at the same time your PF had more than "expected" ΙS. That is a fine example.

Would it be ok if contacted you sometime in the coming weeks for some information, about your team?






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Date: 7/29/2013 8:37:44 AM
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Adding another perspective to the mix- I actually think LI has been toned down a fairly decent amount this season. For my team, I have a PF/C who has excelled in the LI the past 5-6 seasons (getting MVP votes consistently), and his efficiency has dipped to the point this season where he's now the weak point in my offense.

I think the bigger issue is not that LI is so dominant, but that the outside tactics can be slowed down/stopped so easily, especially at the upper levels. I have three excellent perimeter defenders that I know can swallow up any opponent's outside shooters in M2M, let alone if I need to run a 3-2. It's been the case for nearly any good team over many seasons now that running motion or RnG simply isn't effective, especially at the NT or B3 level. There are exceptions for sure, but LI is the far safer (and less expensive) outlet.

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Date: 7/29/2013 10:31:02 AM
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Every NT have players like that (or better players), why do we see then 90% or more NT games LI - m2m?
Why every serious NT play LI-m2m?

Why don't you buy players like that and play Motion when it is good? Why do you play LI?

Be serious, we all play it. LookinsideBeater.

1) In this GE its the best tactic.
2) 2-3 zone doesn't work.
3) The new changes with Blocking show us nothing new, its still the same.

Regards


On the other hand, honestly, how many people are playing at the B3/NT level? The fact that it is broken at that level at this time aside, once you get out of that rarefied air there are plenty of other alternatives that can be just as effective if done well (and as SM's history indicates, it's not even impossible in a solid I league in one of the big BB nations to be successful with an outside offense, even without the shotblocking changes). The problem is that too many people see people who have figured out how to exploit LI maximally at the top and then are told that it's the only option at all levels of the game, which is patent bullcrap.

As far as SB changes not working, well freaking duh, they announced the changes last season, and so your guys at the B3 level couldn't even test out the effects of these changes since these players were not being trained before for the most part. It would be like saying that beginning next season, players with 18 JR and 15 SB will shoot amazing percentages from three point because of their range and jumping ability (SB), and then halfway through next season saying it doesn't work - because nobody will have those skills. Whether this SB change ends up making any real impact or not, of course, is debatable, and it's probably likely to be more of a placebo than a real shift in any case, but it's way too early to come to any conclusions since the data is just too sparse.

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245985.56 in reply to 245985.53
Date: 7/29/2013 2:33:20 PM
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Thank you! I'd be happy to answer some questions.

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