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69634.46 in reply to 69634.42
Date: 1/23/2009 10:46:57 AM
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I think if training speeds went back and stayed as they were in the beginning the fun factor / money factor and feel good factor would get back in the game.

More pops = more excitement = better players around etc etc...

Sure there will be a camp of people (plodders) micro managing everything at their disposal to inch closer to their rivals..

As it stands now - training PF/C gives good immediate team performance but little monetary reward and training guards to sell (if you are brave enough to part) will give you a justifiable training profit.

The arena argument is from those who didnt or cant now build seats as quickly as people did previously because training profits are down the toilet... so why not call for training profits to be increased rather than another tax? (when i say why this is general not a why just at you ;-)



I couldn´t agree more. I really hope we are not headed to the HT-style training. I remember with dread waiting for weeks and weeks for someone to pop. Thats no fun at all and one of the main reasons i quit that game.





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69634.47 in reply to 69634.44
Date: 1/23/2009 10:57:15 AM
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The taxes will be paid not on bases of divisons or number of seats,but of number of effective spectators in every game.So,the taxes will be paid according to the single game


Sorry for the confusion; but I always meant tax on spectators revenue..not on the seats...
JUST and example; dont get back to me on the exact numbers..:D
0-10000 spectators watching 0%
10001-15000 10%
15001-20000 15%
20001-25000 19%

So if you have a 20000 seater with 18000 spectators watching:
0->10000 spectators watching 0%
10001->15000 10%
15001->18000 15%




Last edited by GM-Rijswijker at 1/23/2009 11:07:46 AM

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69634.48 in reply to 69634.43
Date: 1/23/2009 10:59:10 AM
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Superfly wasn't talking about the italian community's performance on the court. He was speaking only about the size of your arenas.

I know, the point is that for what I've seen on the court most of the italian managers in division I are not stupid and have done very well so far overall. So maybe there was a reason why their arenas are smaller.
The day the taxes on the arena revenues were introduced we all said: 'shit, we should have made bigger arenas'.
My opinion is that my arena was well suited for the previous economy and it's not for the new one. But at that time the choice was, shall I try to promote to div. II and stay there or expand my arena? I still believe than the first choice is also economically more convenient.


I would say also that most german managers ain't stupide and done well so far, and i could believe that the overall quality of serie A and the german Bundesliga ain't far away. If i look at team their with a similiatr balance, like this one (26869)(ok it has a better bilance, the teams behind him in hs conference ain't stronger) i would say they are weaker then the german league ... Maybe because they don't look in the future. like the Hambourgh Bulls did, when they started to build a huge arena early, and now they earn they succes for it.

And the bulls still made money, so it is possible that good players could play at a top team, without ruining it ... And the salary of the good player with incerease dramatically in the next seasons.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/23/2009 11:00:36 AM

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69634.49 in reply to 69634.44
Date: 1/23/2009 11:04:40 AM
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So i made a proposal,which punishes the country without competitivity....... and will penalize who have enourmous palace in the weakest countries


Take a step back and just try and think for a moment about what your saying within your speech and why the above 2 extracts really are complete nonsense.

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69634.50 in reply to 69634.49
Date: 1/23/2009 11:09:02 AM
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just to clarify i meant that any modifier to adjust for the size/competitiveness by country would be small.

maybe should start another thread for this topic, it wasnt originally part of this thread.

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Date: 1/23/2009 11:17:57 AM
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The taxes will be paid not on bases of divisons or number of seats,but of number of effective spectators in every game.So,the taxes will be paid according to the single game


Sorry for the confusion; but I always meant tax on spectators revenue..not on the seats...
JUST and example; dont get back to me on the exact numbers..:D
0-10000 spectators watching 0%
10001-15000 10%
15001-20000 15%
20001-25000 19%

So if you have a 20000 seater with 18000 spectators watching:
0->10000 spectators watching 0%
10001->15000 10%
15001->18000 15%



ok,we have the same idea :D

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69634.52 in reply to 69634.47
Date: 1/23/2009 11:24:51 AM
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JUST and example; dont get back to me on the exact numbers..:D
0-10000 spectators watching 0%
10001-15000 10%
15001-20000 15%
20001-25000 19%

So if you have a 20000 seater with 18000 spectators watching:
0->10000 spectators watching 0%
10001->15000 10%
15001->18000 15%


The following questions are ment as posed, no irony, no critique:

Why do you want to tax teams with larger arenas? What is the exact intention behind? General economic balance? Favor smaller/newer teams? Favor/punish certain match strategies?

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69634.53 in reply to 69634.49
Date: 1/23/2009 11:27:52 AM
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So i made a proposal,which punishes the country without competitivity....... and will penalize who have enourmous palace in the weakest countries


Take a step back and just try and think for a moment about what your saying within your speech and why the above 2 extracts really are complete nonsense.

So i made a proposal,which punishes the country without competitivity,but not the people who have loste many money to widen their arenas.The taxes will be paid not on bases of divisons or number of seats,but of number of effective spectators in every game.So,the taxes will be paid according to the single game and will penalize who have enourmous palace in the weakest countries,because in countries who are more competitive and there are frequent decreases of spectators flow,the teams will not pay taxes in the match in which have few fans in the arena;in the countries with players without competitivity but only enormous palaces teams will pay more taxes on more incomes,in the measure of your first proposal

look at my thought:
if i have a strong team in a country without any team which could compete with me,in the various seasons i will always win,so i'll have a great number of funs and i can widen my arena with the safety that it will be filled in evry match,so i 'll make a enormous arena and i'll earn lot of money which i can spend on the market,overcoming the users of the strongest countries which cannot build enormous palaces because,for the competitivity of their divison,they have a certain number of losses and they never can fill this kind of arena(and this explain why italian Serie A arenas are the smallest in the countries)
There are some exceptions as Toroo and Hambourg Bulls which are in strong countries and have great palaces sold out(just to make an example),but as the word says,are exceptions.

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69634.54 in reply to 69634.45
Date: 1/23/2009 11:28:32 AM
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i think comparing the Bundesliga and the Serie A is pointless: every team who plays in those league is competitive and has a high salary cap, and if one doesn't it will be relegated in II and replaced by a stronger one

Last edited by mark_lenders at 1/23/2009 11:30:57 AM

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69634.55 in reply to 69634.51
Date: 1/23/2009 11:29:18 AM
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dumb question, so you earn much more money when you max out the ticket prices for your bleachers and build a much of vip loges who are sold for a small prices to get a high income with less visitors? is that your plan?

That is pretty cool to punish winning streaks, too.

And why are great arena bad? Just because they managers thought more then one season in front?

Edit: pretty funny is also that a team with 14.999 Visitor get a lot more money then one, who sold one ticket more ;) More customers less profit^^

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/23/2009 11:30:21 AM

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