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84738.46 in reply to 84738.45
Date: 4/16/2009 5:02:11 PM
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Hell, ...
Is that a place close to where I live? Or is that a word just meaning nothing?

Answer: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway)

Last edited by Milly at 4/16/2009 5:14:24 PM

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84738.47 in reply to 84738.38
Date: 4/16/2009 7:00:00 PM
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Guys, I personally believe people should be able to do whatever they want, within the rules of the game. That would include training one player to however good they want, maybe even legendary. They shouldn't be able have more than one team though.


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It seems a bit of a conflict of interest to have a NT manager also be the one who makes sure these teams arent owned by someone who has another primary team. If a farm team were to be discovered to be someones alternate team (considerably more likely than the suggestion that these players just want a NT player regardless of how bad thier team is) wouldnt it be damaging to said national team? It shouldnt be a shock that a NT manager doesnt mind farm teams.

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Date: 4/16/2009 7:20:57 PM
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It seems a bit of a conflict of interest to have a NT manager also be the one who makes sure these teams arent owned by someone who has another primary team. If a farm team were to be discovered to be someones alternate team (considerably more likely than the suggestion that these players just want a NT player regardless of how bad thier team is) wouldnt it be damaging to said national team? It shouldnt be a shock that a NT manager doesnt mind farm teams.


Don't beat around the bush. You're suggesting JuicePats (or any other staff member managing an NT) would look the other way if they found that a farm team for one of their NT players was in fact a cheater under existing rules? Or would decline to investigate a suspicious-looking farm team?

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84738.49 in reply to 84738.47
Date: 4/16/2009 7:22:09 PM
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to be someones alternate team (considerably more likely than the suggestion that these players just want a NT player regardless of how bad thier team is)


why you should play several season(to get a stack of mone to afford and pay an nt player) with a second team, with the risk to get caugth and banned when the first team is so improtant? To give another person all the accomplishment for your work ;)

Thats some for me so like the NT trainers who all have 20 teams, to byuout all NT players when they get elected like it sounded in the first post ;)

In BB i don#t have to use fams yet, but in another game like this i know that there are enough guys who spend that many time, or like to grow up an nt because they have lost the motivation of playing the normal way - and they are also players who have other interest then the majority and so their usually always team who farm for fun or because of no fun in the rest of the game and HT experienced shows that pretty often the motivation came back with such an alternate game style.


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84738.50 in reply to 84738.48
Date: 4/16/2009 7:33:05 PM
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I did not say that at all, nor do I think GM-JuicePats would do that. Everyone is scared to broach this subject for exactly your response. What I said was two things.

-Conflict of interest. This does not mean someone would or is willing to use his position for what you suggested I was saying. It only means it is best not to put someone in the position where someone may suspect this sort of behavior. When a Prosecuting Attorney is recused from a case because he knows the defendant it is called a conflict of interest. No one accused the Attorney of helping his friend.

-GM-JuicePats has been adamantly opposed to banning farm teams in this thread, and I stated it was an obvious stance considering he is a NT manager.

I have no idea how many NT managers are GMs. I did not say that a conflict of interest is an assumed inpropriety.

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84738.51 in reply to 84738.50
Date: 4/16/2009 7:42:30 PM
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-GM-JuicePats has been adamantly opposed to banning farm teams in this thread, and I stated it was an obvious stance considering he is a NT manager.


or he see the difficultys in the rule, because at which point you are a farm - this question is very very subjective ... And rulez should be treated for everyone, i don't know when you like to mae a new start, and keep your star player and get banned for it because you selled your other guys and maybe some minutes fillers - i would say that was silly. Especially when it is just forbidden for players with a flag.

But when something is changed their is no intrest conflict to, because the rulez are for everyone so also the other nations have to be adapt and banning teams who have star players instead of balanced teams.

Or did you mean he won't abnned multi accs, when they are farms? He isn't the only gm out there, ok he is something like the top instance from it, but i didn't think he get their because he don't hold the rules. And other Gm would have intrest in banning those teams especially when they are NT and it isn't a farm from them - in this case you would get an conflict of intrest too but this will lead to punishment without a good reason.

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84738.52 in reply to 84738.49
Date: 4/16/2009 8:00:06 PM
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to be someones alternate team (considerably more likely than the suggestion that these players just want a NT player regardless of how bad thier team is)


This is surely the case with some teams. However to say that all of the farm teams are just guys who are playing an alternate style is a bit of a stretch, imo. A couple of these teams rarely log on, dont manage minutes for their stars very well (hence the poor GS early in the season before cup elim reduces minutes to norm) and dont try to get other players trained at the same position (1 position training can still give you another full trainee +1 partial). This hardly seems the behavior of someone whos interest are purely National Team oriented. They are in effect one-player hosts, not one position trainers.

Thats some for me so like the NT trainers who all have 20 teams, to byuout all NT players when they get elected like it sounded in the first post ;)

I sometimes have trouble with your meaning, and this is a good example. I hope you arent saying that I suggested all NT trainers had 20 teams. I did not say or mean anything remotely similar to this.


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84738.53 in reply to 84738.51
Date: 4/16/2009 8:09:59 PM
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Somehow I am getting roped into what all the other posters have suggested. I agree that you cannot ban people just on suspicion or because they play poorly, I believe I even stated that earlier in the post. I never spoke of banning at all.

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84738.54 in reply to 84738.53
Date: 4/16/2009 11:38:34 PM
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Its an incredible debate and one where it is still obvious to me that if teams aren't farming players then they surely soon will be.

Why not impose an average salary cap? You cant own players 3-4 x greater than your average players salary. (just figures as an example)

This would end all speculation about who could be a farmer and who isnt. Are there really managers with 9x $2k players & a $150k one creaming themselves over the ownership of a NT player? I mean genuine managers?????

If they had a $150k star player merged in amongst 9 others that could actually play I would understand their excitement.

I'm still on the no farm teams side.

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84738.55 in reply to 84738.53
Date: 4/17/2009 4:32:31 AM
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Somehow I am getting roped into what all the other posters have suggested. I agree that you cannot ban people just on suspicion or because they play poorly, I believe I even stated that earlier in the post. I never spoke of banning at all.


so how was your suggestion to avoid then?

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84738.56 in reply to 84738.52
Date: 4/17/2009 4:33:56 AM
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Thats some for me so like the NT trainers who all have 20 teams, to byuout all NT players when they get elected like it sounded in the first post ;)


I sometimes have trouble with your meaning, and this is a good example. I hope you arent saying that I suggested all NT trainers had 20 teams. I did not say or mean anything remotely similar to this.


No the first one two posters in this thread mention, that nobody will do it and nearly all teams are multi accs from nt's and nt near persons.

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