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I just don´t really understand the result of saturdays game: (36213187)

Its not about that I lost, but how and primarily why its so clear. When I look at the tactical ratings, I see myself slightly better on the inside, my opponent a little more better on the outside. But I have better flow, play at home and the rebounds are 50:31 in favor of my team. We both played TIE

but when I look at the position ratings, they are almost all in favor of my opponent. Arent the tactical and the position ratings contradicting each other?

maybe somebody can help me bring light into this

Well, anyone who plays 2-3 defense IMO shouldn't be surprised if he looses against a sub-par team. 2-3 defense is BAD. It boosts your rebounding, yes, but in addition to leaving big holes in outside defense, it also boosts opponent's offensive flow. Now Match ratings show your opponent had worse OF and still had 10 assists more than you. Well guess what? 2-3 defense! His PG shot 5-8 for 3, that's great percentage for Patient. His FG% was more than 50% and almost 40% for 3. If you played M2M, you can be sure you'd win easily. His SF had 8 assists while averaging 3.6 AST/game during season. 2-3 is only good against teams who play LI and have bad outside players, but against such teams also M2M is good enough, so I don't see any reason why anyone should play 2-3 defense ever. I know there are some who advocate 2-3 in certain situations and I have a question for them: Show me the game with 2-3 defense where 2-3 would be a better option than M2M. I don't think it exists.

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Why im winning that game?? I lost everything from match up to teamratings ? or better, to be in context of this thread why did my opponent did NOT WIN ?

Cheers

Will

This game was really weird. His SG had a really bad day - 7-21 shooting with Motion against 2-3 is really bad. Did you play CT or did he play TIE? As far as I know, TIE makes your offense a bit worse than normal, while defense remains the same. His PG had a field day like Motion against 2-3 should, so I suspect he had really bad offensive flow. His team made only 21 assists; with Motion against 2-3, they should make at least 30+ assists. He would probably win with RnG. Against a bad outside offense, IMO Motion should look something like this: (33307237). I know I played against FCP, but if you compare your opponents' Outside shooting (Sensational - 12) and your Outside defense (Respectable - 7), it's a 5 point gap that's the same with my game (my Outside shooting - 8, his Outside offense - 3).

So I guess you won because of his bad offensive flow and his SG's bad shooting day.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/36581873/boxscore.aspx
I can't believe I lose that game! I played against second worst team in my league. And my SG is a really bad joke. 17k salary. Stats? 1-8 during 38 mins. Second SG? Salary 5k, 4-5 during 10 mins. WHY, WHY, WHY. This will probably block my way to playoffs. Not good.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/36180357/boxscore.aspx

My enthusiasm is 12, he struggled more, his PF's scoring average so far was 18 while playing in good shape, all of a sudden he explodes for 28, with 7 GS, defended by my 15 ID PF. Also my whole backcourt plays very good OD. So, the only explanation I could find was enthusiasm, but it still doens't look like it could overcome such big difference in the ratings :S

Already posted above, but may not have seen. Someone who understands better the engine, can explain how I lost this game?

Sorry for bad english (;

I think to understand what was going on during our game you have to step away from the pure ratings for a second.

It´s true that your gameflow - in rating - was alot better than mine, still I managed to get a whopping 29 Assists during our game. Actually I think the early foul trouble of my players in fact helped me to some degree to achieve that number. The ever-switching lineups lead to all-different attacking schemes, and instead of the usual "one guy racks it all up" Patient Offense, I had a pretty wide variation of scorers. The high assist number is both a sign for patient ball movement aswell as a "good shooting day".

I´m not sure Game Flow Ratings nowadays help alot in judging a team´s true ability to move the ball. Instead of playing with a true playmaker who can hit the entry pass at will, I´m experimenting with several ways of "team ball movement", with no players on the court below a certain number at the Passing Skill (same for Rebounding btw): a team approach of moving the ball. Doesn´t work in the Ratings Category, works rather fine on the court.

I tried to attack two positions - PG and SF - and my guys there managed to score a lot on good shooting percentages. This is part of a "cross your fingers for a good shooting day" thing, guess there´s some randomness there.

On the other hand, I was very surprised by the display of power from my Center. He got more shots than I expected him to take, and connected on a high percentage. I don´t fully undestand this part. On the other hand, my PF obviously backed down from yours at any possible situation even on offense. Probably a smart move. Not necessarily what you shall expect of my team, making smart moves.

The ratings are relatively low compared to what Parrot Tool gave me as an estimation. Reason for this is the Foul Trouble on Simonelis and Lucic, leading to massive minutes for Yern and also more than planned minutes for my first year rookie Wie Soo. I guess the result was your late surge in the fourth, when you came quite close at a time.

So summing it up: my low ratings in outside shooting include the playing time from Lubanski and Wie Soo, both not taking many shots. Instead, Grychowski, Lucic and Yern took the majority while on the court, and with them on the court (even together) the teams outside shooting was way better. Instead, with Lubanski and Wie Soo on the court, the ball went inside more, and - because of the team-wide ball movement - ended up with easy layups and dunks from Kurek every now and then. In the end, it´s about the first time I had the feeling "Patient" really lead to the right guys taking the shots. The difference in ballmovement is just a wrong display of the true things happening on the court, the rebounding paid off big time for you, and some of my scoring was a lucky streak.

On the other hand, I don´t fully undestand why your PF monster went off for 45 though getting some focus Defense, but well, no complaints here, if he goes for 60 and I win I´ll take it.

Oh, and @Koperboy:

I´m pretty sure Northern Warlord played a 2-3 because I can play a PF - C - C lineup which would pretty much run down any M2M he could field. So maybe he might have won the game above playing m2m, but he had to prepare for a big boy lineup from my side.

Thanks Souly for this elaborate analysis. I was actually sort of aware that you'll be reading this, but I didn't expect getting an answer from you, and sure not on this scale!

Your explanations helped me getting a better feel, I was pretty sure your team wouldn't be the ordinary team of quickly bought mercenaries, just as mine is. I always suspected you of having a deeper strategy behind your team. What I didn't expect was your team to act cleverly, on that tune I was as surprised as you were... ;-) It was the first time, wasn't it?

So, feeling that our teams are close in competition, I was wrong in the lottery of tactics, which is still well deserved for your wide range of tactics that you are able to play. Sure, my PF is a machine, but especially on the offense side my guards are just not good enough to put a strong focus on them.....dude, this reminds me of the german national team.....no good thought....

finally, I like the idea that we are able to talk in a constructive way...I tend to forget about that when reading our league forum...;-)

(36208912)

Why im winning that game?? I lost everything from match up to teamratings ? or better, to be in context of this thread why did my opponent did NOT WIN ?

Cheers

Will

Teamratings means nothing.

You just won coz of the effort, but both teams did a bad defense in general, specially your team.