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136473.469 in reply to 136473.468
Date: 6/9/2010 7:57:15 AM
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Don't think Pistons can beat me this point with their GS dwindling.

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136473.470 in reply to 136473.469
Date: 6/9/2010 7:58:39 AM
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sure but there's always a little risk.

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136473.471 in reply to 136473.467
Date: 6/9/2010 9:57:47 AM
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I have been involved in high school officiating for nearly 15 years. some years I had officiated up to 75 games in a season both in public high school and small college intramurals. I can tell you I have officiated both with two man crews and 3 man crews. 3 man crews is a thing of beauty if it is applied properly. We are always told officials should never be the "outcome" of a game but merely help manage the game.

In the NBA many officials are there and they want noticed--they want to make the controversial call whether bad or good they want to make the call against Kobe they want to overlook the call against Kobe because of what he said to them 2 games ago etc. I believe one problem and you may or may not agree is you have two FEW officials and they ref for too long and ref the same teams. They get to know the coaches and players on a personal level, they know their families etc. etc. There is no way to be unbiased when that happens. You see them talking to them carrying on with them taking their cuss rants against them and giving it back, it is ridicoulous. You are not there to be buddies with them you are there to help manage the game. In normal athletic competition 2 people talk to you on the court about a questionable call the captain and the coach....period. Anybody else and it can be a T.

In the NBA's desire to put on a "show" they have taken the officials out of their normal duties and this problem goes straight to the top. Calls will always be blown it can't be helped but NBA officals would not make it in the high school level. They don't make calls. They don't call traveling 80% of the time, they are inconsistent at best in foul calls they call out of their primaries (ref lingo) often. Their mechanics (the way they make calls) is something for the Hollywood movies. Ridiculous you won't find it in a ref handbbook for mechanics anywhere. I surprised Joey Crawford didn't add backflips to some of his ridiculous antics when he used to ref all the time.


If you have ever officiated and paid your dues to be a certified official on the high school or college level. The NBA is just embarrassing. They make upwards of 10-20k for playoff games not counting travel, thier amenities, personal computer, food etc. and the product you get is what you all have seen. Two officials last night had nearly 50 games between them of finals experience. ONe it was his first game. The rookie was probably better then both the old times. They are in it to long.

The refs can absolutely change the game if they do not do their jobs properly. Sad but true.

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136473.472 in reply to 136473.468
Date: 6/9/2010 4:46:10 PM
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wow. it's cool to see Cantrell be the first Goat to earn the POTD Award but it feels like such an empty honor, lol.

Unless PCI decides to pull a Pistons-like move against Armageddons, my last three games will have been for nothing.

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136473.473 in reply to 136473.471
Date: 6/9/2010 5:52:56 PM
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great points, i totally agree. maybe stern can start fining the refs for bad calls, or best of all find new ones

From: E-Rock
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136473.474 in reply to 136473.473
Date: 6/9/2010 10:38:52 PM
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I only beat the Amargendons by 1 at home. This could easily be a loss.

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136473.475 in reply to 136473.474
Date: 6/9/2010 10:51:24 PM
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I gotta tell ya, I think there is a special stat for hustle or something... Leo Woods Really doesnt have THAT good of stats... He is Well-Rounded, like most of my players (one reason I got rid of Inxausti).. but he really isnt Mega-Trained or anything.. what are your thoughts?

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136473.476 in reply to 136473.471
Date: 6/9/2010 11:01:31 PM
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It's good to read the opinions of someone with officiating experience to make sure I'm not crazy. I don't like to harp on the refs at all because there are usually dozens of other more prominent reasons a team loses a given game, but it's kind of depressing seeing the game screwed with so badly.

I don't know if anyone here has been watching the NHL playoffs...that's a league with bigger problems than the NBA but at least the refs know when to swallow the whistles. The NHL playoffs are more physical than the regular season yet refs understand that they can't call the game tighter because of it. As a result the NHL playoffs are annually one of the must see events of the year for me. I'll always watch the NBA because I'm obsessed with it but I wouldn't blame anyone that decided to stop watching until the league did something to fix the problem.

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136473.477 in reply to 136473.475
Date: 6/10/2010 1:06:00 AM
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there has to be, back when i was in div IV i had a pf named noe maya. trash player, but would always put up fantastic numbers for me, constant double-doubles. It was very strange

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136473.478 in reply to 136473.476
Date: 6/10/2010 9:34:17 AM
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Unfortunately I don't think you will see the problem get fixed. The NBA is about money nothing else. When we are at a point where coaches are making 12 million a year, the system is broke beyond repair. The only way the NBA will ever get fixed is when the fans get too sick of it to buy tickets. I have long "clamoured" for salary caps and veteran maximums etc for the NBA this would be a first great step.

For the refs--the way you fix it is to get rid of the ones who don't ref. I think it would be hilarious to take 3 top notch high school officials and do an NBA game with the normal basketball rules being applied properly. The networks would love it with all the foul calls and traveling calls, palming the ball etc., they would be able to implement another 30 commercials in a games time. NBA refs have lost sight of the game...period.

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136473.479 in reply to 136473.477
Date: 6/10/2010 11:59:56 AM
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Could depend on the system as well. Also, maybe aggression/physicality or tendencies.

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