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let me suggest something, that is fun, not too difficult to be implemented, can thrill all players, stimulating more interest in the game.

Now, there is just one international tournament, BBB, reserved to a minimal amount of managers.

Let's introduce International competition per series.

It would be an arcade competition, using the same formula of Consolation Tournament for NT/U21 (nothing to be invented).

There are 5 cups. Each is reserved to teams belonging to one defined series (cup for I series, excluding participants to BBB; II series; etc...). Having the same formula of consolation, you can include a quite large number of teams, as the number of matches is limited. If there are (let's say) 4 teams per nation (but number can be larger, I haven't done calculations), the four will be the ones with better international ranking per each nation.

The tournament would increase the international breadth of the game, and add a piece of interest.

As side effect, it would stimulate cross-country comparison. My expectation would be:
- in first edition(s), teams from more competitive countries would easily win
- as side effect, teams from less competitive countries should spend money to enforce their roster and face stiff competition
- that would produce an avalanche effect where teams of same divisions of formerly less competitive countries should spend money to become competitive, even not participating to international cups

in (some...) seasons that should force some rebalancing.

the number of seasons is probably directly proportional to number of teams admitted per series. that should be carefully defined.

And a further effect,is that,because of your greater power on the market,I am denied or strongly hindered in using some strategies,as for example like blow up my team,because you still have an higher power on the market than me(user of a large country)

The best manager is the one who chooses the best tactic for his team at his teams current position. Your facts are all false, why? because every team in every league in Italy can not be in red season after season. Please try to understand that when teams reach their salary cap the game changes. It seems to me people complaining about the cap can just not cope with the change. It eventually comes down to who can micromanage his teams different areas the best. Perhaps that's the time when you need to fire your coach and start training stamina/FT's. Try to sell your players with imbalanced skills and trade them for a balanced one. Perhaps even sell 2 players to get that one balanced low salary player, creating some more weekly income that you can later on use on a sub. Thus getting more skills out of a dollar.
Why the hell are you complaning about not able to use a tactic any more. Can a starting team start with a tactic of buying 100k salary players right away? He could but it would take a lot of time before he could buy one. Thus making it a less effective tactic. Just like you can't expect to win with a 10 PG team. How long will it actually take for you to understand that when you hit that salary cap, you can't expect to be buying players constantly any more. Your team is already at it's full strenght for that level. If you can't promote with that team, you need to look for a flaw in the buildup, not try to fix it with giving every team in your country some extra income. Big country users can not actually use the sell all, gather money, relegate, buy team and promote up again be stronger, why? because you are paying a big tax on the rebuy and are not sure to promote because of the great competition. So this come down to again choosing the best possible tactic for your team.
It has been made black and white for you, colored red, put naked girls on it and you still don't get it.

And a further effect,is that,because of your greater power on the market,I am denied or strongly hindered in using some strategies,as for example like blow up my team,because you still have an higher power on the market than me(user of a large country)

The best manager is the one who chooses the best tactic for his team at his teams current position. Your facts are all false, why? because every team in every league in Italy can not be in red season after season. Please try to understand that when teams reach their salary cap the game changes. It seems to me people complaining about the cap can just not cope with the change. It eventually comes down to who can micromanage his teams different areas the best. Perhaps that's the time when you need to fire your coach and start training stamina/FT's. Try to sell your players with imbalanced skills and trade them for a balanced one. Perhaps even sell 2 players to get that one balanced low salary player, creating some more weekly income that you can later on use on a sub. Thus getting more skills out of a dollar.
Why the hell are you complaning about not able to use a tactic any more. Can a starting team start with a tactic of buying 100k salary players right away? He could but it would take a lot of time before he could buy one. Thus making it a less effective tactic. Just like you can't expect to win with a 10 PG team. How long will it actually take for you to understand that when you hit that salary cap, you can't expect to be buying players constantly any more. Your team is already at it's full strenght for that level. If you can't promote with that team, you need to look for a flaw in the buildup, not try to fix it with giving every team in your country some extra income. Big country users can not actually use the sell all, gather money, relegate, buy team and promote up again be stronger, why? because you are paying a big tax on the rebuy and are not sure to promote because of the great competition. So this come down to again choosing the best possible tactic for your team.
It has been made black and white for you, colored red, put naked girls on it and you still don't get it.

I don't agree at all.

I am proud of the sharp balancing of my economy, team, skills. I always picked players with specific combinations of skills to have the best out of them. I built and sold key players to sustain growth. For the first time ever I have some red in my balance, but planned as next season I will be able to fix it selling one star of my team. As me, there are many other players taking any single drop out of their team's resources.

Said so, I am a little upset when a III series user can easily spend millions to buy players just because his opponents could not face my rotation team. This does not happen in Italy (may be in some V series, but immediately rebalanced in IV).

If you want, I can send you all my roster to see what is wrong. By the way, all my bi-season training programs are carefully planned to minimize salary after season one.

Last edited by GM-BlackMouse at 8/20/2010 5:41:55 PM

So what's the problem? You are leader in your division :)

So what's the problem?

He wrote it, just read:
"Said so, I am a little upset when a III series user can easily spend millions to buy players just because his opponents could not face my rotation team. This does not happen in Italy"

the reason he cant do this for the millionth time is he and his div has hit the salary cap.

how are you not getting this.

What I wish is to have the same chances of yours to decided whether and where spending my money: if we would be in II division both, we should decide on the same basis among a level 7 trainer, a killer center, a larger amount of seats, etc. At this moment, we cannot.

we do decide on the same basis its just that you have to do so quicker as your div's are much tougher then ours.

it still does not change the FACT that whole div's in italy/spanish have hit there SALARY CAP and SHOULDNT be expecting to be able to buy new players from the the tl.

if all your teams are running at almost 0 profit why are you even looking for a new player ?

as i have said countless times this is how the game i meant to be , once you hit the salary cap it really comes down to who can manage there team better not who can make better "trades" on the tl.

so far im yet to see one argument that makes any sense or presents any actual problem, and all the so called fix's do is either give you guys more money or lesson the rest of money for the rest of the globe.
which really just gives you guys more money any way.

so then you will hit the salary cap again and come back and complain, this is the bit you guys dont get , there is no fix to this issue as its inevitable , its a game feature , wait and let the smaller countries catch up to your level of competition .

the games still quite young , it may take another 12 seasons before australia hits that level of comp in its top 4 div's , and personally i cant wait.

Please people stop writting those long posts its the same thing written all over again and it only comes to wanting more money in the end...which infact wont help you at all.....
Zyler has told you the thruth countless times and you still deny it...

At this point I think it could be good to look back at earlier statements from BB-Charles. (From: (129389.248) and (129389.353))

The vast majority of teams will never play a competitive game with somebody outside their country, and play most of their competitive games with teams in their own league. The most important thing we look at in terms of game balance is whether teams who start later are able to compete with those who start earlier. In particular, I'd say that the most important metric we look at is that teams which promote are able to compete reasonably with teams who are already in their division, and that teams which demote do not automatically repromote. Since Italy seems to have come up as an example, there are 350 teams that promoted in season 9 in Italy and continued to have human owners through the present time. Of those 350, 11 promoted again in season 10, 191 remained in their new league, and 148 relegated. That corresponds to 42.3% relegation, compared to a 25% chance of relegation for an average team. The chance to promote twice in a row was quite low, as teams needed to acclimate to their new league first. Seems roughly reasonable to me.

We can of course debate whether these are the desired numbers. I think these are pretty close to what we are looking for -- generally speaking, teams who promote have a good chance to compete and teams that demote are not dominant, meaning that a new team can hope in the long run to complete at the top level. It will take a while, because one needs to beat each successive division; the numbers tell you that a team created in division VI in Italy should not expect to reasonably be in Serie A in 5 seasons. But I believe such a team can reasonably expect that if they are managed well enough, they can eventually reach and compete in Serie A.

Anyway, that's the most important thing we look at -- whether new managers can hope to get to the top and the rate of mixing among leagues.

I haven't seen anybody try to do an analysis apart from the post(s) I made. If you don't believe my analysis, then I'd recommend doing an independent analysis and seeing what results you get.

I think if you look at the history of discussions in Global, the BBs tend to believe our own analysis over unsupported assertions, but we're pretty good about reading other people's analysis and responding appropriately. But we're not going to be convinced by a bunch of big-country managers complaining about the advantages that small countries have...

Are there any reasons to believe that this have changed? I think they still monitors these numbers and I suppose they still look ok, otherwise I can agree with the need of action.

the games still quite young , it may take another 12 seasons before australia hits that level of comp in its top 4 div's , and personally i cant wait.

Australia born in season 2,and have 740 active users,we have to suppose that you don't still hit the salary cap because you are incapable managers maybe?
It is what seems from your words...

i don't want to judge your ability as managers,but the system was made to give you a TEMPORARY advantage to allow you to improve fastly on the market than the other nations to reach them,while in 12 season the gap between nations enlarge because we made better moves...we can't still be damaged for a YOUR fault to build competitive teams

P.S. How can you think to train a PG with star potential with PITIFUL JS?It simply doesn't have sense

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 4:32:48 AM