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10661.47 in reply to 10661.46
Date: 1/3/2008 10:40:02 AM
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Nope thats not how it works normally when you play zone (in europe).

I haven't got a board now to draw it for you but when we (= my team) play a 2-3 zone in real life this is what happens;

All your players are in the inside of the 3-point line, all "inside passing/running lines" are covered, all players outside are free. The opponentss can pass relativly easy around, and the zone defense moves from ballside to ballside.
Then if someone takes a shot, all zone defenders turn around make a few steps in front and make a solid circle under the bucket.
When you have a circle like that with empty space in the middle you will pick more rebounds than in a man-to-man, because the ball will most likely fall into that circle and it's very hard to enter that circle for the offenders.

Of course this is when the defense is executed perfect, but that's the difference with a man-to-man. It's easier to avoid being boxed out and pick an offensive rebound than to enter that circle of defenders.

Edited by PatjeBono (1/3/2008 10:48:30 AM CET)

Edited by PatjeBono (1/3/2008 10:58:43 AM CET)

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/3/2008 10:58:43 AM

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10661.48 in reply to 10661.47
Date: 1/3/2008 10:05:16 PM
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I understand how a zone defense works....and your explanation doesn't really address the issue of boxing out. Creating a circle under bucket is essentially what any defense does once the shot goes up, but with man-to-man, offensive player usually has a defender between him in the bucket. In zone, there a gaps in the zone that an offensive player can exploit to find a path to the basket and grab a rebound.

Check out wiki...it even takes about the boxing out issue with respect to zone defenses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_defense

When a shot is attempted, it is often harder for players in a zone to find counterparts to box out for the rebound, which sometimes results in an offensive player getting an easy offensive rebound.

Wiki can't be wrong! :-)

Steve
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10661.49 in reply to 10661.48
Date: 1/3/2008 10:26:30 PM
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Wiki can't be wrong! :-)


Never fully trust Wiki. Wiki is open to anyone.


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10661.50 in reply to 10661.49
Date: 1/3/2008 10:36:28 PM
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Yes, I know -- hence the smiling emoticon.

Steve

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Date: 1/4/2008 5:10:52 AM
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Wiki can't be wrong! :-)


Never fully trust Wiki. Wiki is open to anyone.


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10661.52 in reply to 10661.51
Date: 1/4/2008 6:45:43 AM
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That's so true...

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10661.53 in reply to 10661.40
Date: 1/4/2008 7:11:56 PM
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I dont believe everything written in a Forum, but buzzerbeater is a new game and different to hattrick.. so i have to test some things and i guess.. 2:3 Zone works really well against stronger outside offense.. of course i have to test it more..

I just want to go to second league this season, then I will see what happens..


In the last game i plaed often motion, because i'm knowing that my opponents usually play 2-3 Zone, and i mostly win and i'm not the one with the strogest roster. I hit only 30% of my 3 P shot, like in the other games but i made a lot of high percentage mid range shot.

And for the theorys that the 3p quote increase in the future, i don't think because the outside defense will be stronger in the future.

Edit: And you will also get the most defensive Boards with an 2-3 zone, because offensive Rebounds ain't so easy.

Edited by CrazyEye (1/4/2008 7:15:12 PM CET)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/4/2008 7:15:12 PM

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10661.54 in reply to 10661.52
Date: 1/4/2008 7:15:50 PM
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No the less...i think my point about man-to-man being better than zone defenses in terms of rebounding is still valid.

Here are a number of other sources that support my view:

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/ZoneDefense.html
3. There are not always clear-cut rebounding box-out assignments and sometimes the offensive player will slip inside for the offensive rebound and lay-up. See Zone Rebounding for help with this.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/ZoneRebounding.html


Steve
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10661.55 in reply to 10661.54
Date: 1/4/2008 8:49:06 PM
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Of course that's what happens when your zone defense fails. But that's the same with man-to-man when somebody did not box out his man well enough.

quoting out of your link:

Defensive rebounding can be either a weakness or a strength of the zone defense. On the positive side, you can put your "bigs" inside, keep them there and rebound missed shots. On the other hand, often there are not clear-cut box-out assignments when playing zone defense, especially when the zone is over-shifted or overloaded. Offensive players will try to penetrate the gaps in the zone, not only when trying to score, but also when rebounding. Zone defenses that don't box-out well will give up second and third shots.


+ when you play a 2-3 most of the offensive players or outside so they need to go to the basket and be in time to jump and pick the rebound (the need to travel a bit, which is not a lot but it's something) while the defenders are already there, picking the perfect position.

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10661.56 in reply to 10661.55
Date: 1/8/2008 9:30:13 PM
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Don't want to beat a dead horse...but I think that quote supports my point about boxing out.


+ when you play a 2-3 most of the offensive players or outside so they need to go to the basket and be in time to jump and pick the rebound (the need to travel a bit, which is not a lot but it's something) while the defenders are already there, picking the perfect position.


Perhaps, but isn't the positioning of offensive players kind of up to the offense scheme???

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear what the BB's think about this since ultimately its there opinion that matter in terms of how the game is modeled. At least in the states in the college and pro ranks, zone defenses are usually used to force a team to shoot from the outside and/or to protect players in foul trouble or to slow tdown the game pace. Man-to-Man is usually used by the better defensive teams.


Steve
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