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From: 7ton
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Today I deliberately tried 3-2 zone against an inside team. It looks like it worked. Notice the FG of the guards and the no. of turnovers.
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Well i dont really agree with you in some points.

Can you figure out how hard is to have a guard with good passing and good outside skills to attack for the outside teams? If you dont train some passing it will be really impossible to buy one because they are so expensive. For an inside team its easier to find a guard who only needs passing and OD and nothing more.

In my eyes, skills like handling were really useless with the old GE and outside teams were training that skills, so now the game is more balanced.

The point here is that if you are an inside team you will have 1 question when you play against one outside team. Whats better to use a 3-2 or man to man if you are using a PF as a SF in case that the PF havent a big OD. Thats the big difference with the 2-3, because the outside teams that use a PG or a SF without much inside skills they will play 2-3 for sure for the rebound more than for the help of the SF in the inside defense zone.

This GE is really balanced because now all the skills of the players are useful(well i still got doubts with SB)

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It seems to me you've chosen the best tactic in attack and the best in defense but I could also say that you've chosen the only tactic available to win if you are not 3 times better than your opponent. That's a pity imho more tactics more fun.

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Ahhh damn ¬¬

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i think the problem is, that you need very good guards for playing LI and just average center for playing Run and gun.

With the 3-2 Zone we maybe sen changes from the old to the new ge, where the 2-3 Zone was superior and could be also be uses against outside tactics because of a big boost inr ebounding now the 3-2 Zone becomes universal.

The point here is that if you are an inside team you will have 1 question when you play against one outside team. Whats better to use a 3-2 or man to man if you are using a PF as a SF in case that the PF havent a big OD.


i tested it in two games with such a PF, i am not toatlly convinced about the effectiness of this Zone anymore, even for SF with low OD.

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Well in the old GE it was also necessary to have a good guard, that was able to score in front of 2-3 zones, its not nothing new, but its not true that you just need average centers for R&G. This new GE is more balanced than the old one.

PD: Stratos your game is pretty weird, but maybe your defense(without looking the live) it wasnt the best choice, maybe man to man was a better decision. Also your PG dindt help you a lot, apart from that you were playing in your opponent court.

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Can you figure out how hard is to have a guard with good passing and good outside skills to attack for the outside teams?

I don't think that good passing skills are as important when attacking from the outside.

If you dont train some passing it will be really impossible to buy one because they are so expensive.

and the other way around... if you train passing you'll make plenty of money :) I don't see the correlation between training and tactics.

For an inside team its easier to find a guard who only needs passing and OD and nothing more.

Disagree.

In my eyes, skills like handling were really useless with the old GE and outside teams were training that skills, so now the game is more balanced.

I agree with the first part, not with the second. As I already wrote in a previous post, I am happy that handling and passing are now more important, but I strongly think that the GE needs some tuning.

The point here is that if you are an inside team you will have 1 question when you play against one outside team. Whats better to use a 3-2 or man to man if you are using a PF as a SF in case that the PF havent a big OD. Thats the big difference with the 2-3, because the outside teams that use a PG or a SF without much inside skills they will play 2-3 for sure for the rebound more than for the help of the SF in the inside defense zone.

I am not talking of inside and outside teams... most of the high level teams have now complete rosters. I am talking of inside and outside offenses. I have (what I think is) the ideal SF to play inside tactics and still I attack from outside 80% of the times.

Anyway I am pretty confident that the BBs are monitoring the situation and will make the necessary adjustments at the end of this season. If they don't... well, that means that the data they have prove me wrong and that the only problem we are seeing now with playing inside offenses is the low offensive flow.

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From: CrazyEye

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Well in the old GE it was also necessary to have a good guard, that was able to score in front of 2-3 zones, its not nothing new, but its not true that you just need average centers for R&G. This new GE is more balanced than the old one.

PD: Stratos your game is pretty weird, but maybe your defense(without looking the live) it wasnt the best choice, maybe man to man was a better decision. Also your PG dindt help you a lot, apart from that you were playing in your opponent court.



the 2-3 Zone was ok, because he missed a key player to be effective from outside so i expect an inside game ;)

But also against inside games, you get a lot more and better midrange Jumpers then before, becuase the drop in outside defence is lot higher then before so that balanced team who playining inside tactics could easily exploit the weak OD, the different case with exploiting the weak ID in the 3-2 or 1-3-1 Zone is very hard even with inside tactics and especially with outside tactics.

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check out my last game(15550910),although i played crunh time..I think 3-2 zone worked very well against a strong opponent

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OK, if I understand correctly, now 3:2 is the best or most efficient tactic?

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