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I think- and this is just what I think, absolutely nothing official- the main reason behind the training changes is a response to the community being so upset about the salaries of big men. The community has said time and again that the system is not working.

Players with ridiculous salaries have been a big sticking point on the forums. Recalculating salaries each season (another drop in wages this season- unmentioned I notice) is one way this has been tackled. These changes might, down the road, lead to slightly lower salaries for the behemoths.

1. I honestly don't think that you will notice a drastic change in your players unless your train them for many seasons. And if you do, perhaps you will be happy with their performance. Let's say you single position train a C for three seasons, rotating ID, IS, and REB 4 times and training stamina and FT once. Using the Training Speed Analysis you will have roughly 13.5 pops in ID and IS, 9 in REB, and a couple in driving and JS. So under the new system you would have 12.15 in ID and IS, 8.1 in REB, a couple in DR and JS, and about 4 pops spread around 10 skills. After three seasons.

2.see above.
3. Ask Mark Cuban about the value of older players. Older players are valuable because of their experience. Why should this be devalued?

Finally: a well-managed team is one that is flexible enough to know that changes happen all the time in this game. We were told about this at the beginning of last season.

I think- and this is just what I think, absolutely nothing official- the main reason behind the training changes is a response to the community being so upset about the salaries of big men. The community has said time and again that the system is not working.

Players with ridiculous salaries have been a big sticking point on the forums. Recalculating salaries each season (another drop in wages this season- unmentioned I notice) is one way this has been tackled. These changes might, down the road, lead to slightly lower salaries for the behemoths.

If this were the reason for the changes, then what was needed was a change to the game engine. If a team full of well-rounded players could actually beat a team full of behemoths, nobody would ever own said behemoths, and they could fade into oblivion and die.

Have we seen a team of well-rounded players yet?

BC Hostivar on season 15?

Did he beat any behemoth teams?

he almost beat VS in semifinals without his starting PG... also his national team performs better than it should based on the payroll of players, and he's the manager.

Last edited by Koperboy at 7/28/2011 8:34:04 AM

that was season 16. How'd he do in season 15?

I don't think the GE is flawed in that regard.


That's really how it should be. Jack of all trades type players are nothing more than niche players in the NBA, truly elite guys are spectacular in certain areas and not so great in others.

If a team has a C who is a monster with 20 IS and 20 RE and 20 ID, it would be inexplicable for his counterpart to outplay him just because he had better shooting range and was a better ball handler.

he won, but he didn't play against a team like VS. Well, at least not that good.

"3. Ask Mark Cuban about the value of older players. Older players are valuable because of their experience. Why should this be devalued?"

This is a point that I will never agree with. Not with Mark Cuban's but with the context you mention it. As a scout I have put a lot of effort in trying to organize training and involving as many players in our program as I can. The idea is that the team will always be better with self-trained players than buying older ones. Now, seeing that it is easier to make results by buying old players (because training is much slower) I think many teams in the lower divisions will chhose to buy, rather than train, and what is sad and sad and sad... They will be right...

Actually I changed my mind about cross-training. I don't like it that much anymore. I will tell you why.

I have a 20y old Superstar and I want him to play in NT. His potential is a bit low for NT, so I have to make a specialized player. In order to make that work, I have to choose which skill I don't want to train anymore, and I chose Passing (he's at Prolific already).
But in next two seasons of training it is possible that he pops in Passing anyway. This means that because of that pop in Passing, I have to give up at least 3 pops in DR and 2-3 in HA because Passing has a great effect potential wise. I don't want that! In this retrospective, my future trainees will all have to be Hall of Famers...not very good.

The best alternative I can think of is that we choose where should that 10% go to on weekly basis. Now THAT would be great. It doesn't matter if we can choose between limited number of options for secondary training; can you imagine you set OD training and as a secondary training you can choose DR+HA+SB or DR+HA+RB or SB+RB+HA?

Oh man, finally!