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Yeah, your whole "this" doesn't answer any of the points I brought up in response. Feel free to actually add something.

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IF god is responsible for life on Earth, then sure he is responsible for creating gay people. So why would he be against his own creations?


I'll respond to this as best as I can.

God created man, but he does not interfere with our free will to pick and choose whatever it is that we are picking and choosing. If you decide you don't believe in God, he isn't going to make you believe in him. I'll also say that according to Christian theology, God destroyed the earth with a flood when he saw that mankind was becoming increasingly evil. It's not that he was against them; he was just sorry that he made mankind. Then there was a man named Noah... and I'm sure you know the story of the ark and the animals.

I believe that God can be against his own creations, but only if they push him over the edge. The Bible states that "God is plentiful in mercy and slow to anger..." I'm not trying to turn this into a Bible lesson, but this is what I was taught as a child.

Like Jason said, God created people that have done terrible things (I.E, Hitler as an example), but that doesn't mean he is in of Hitler killing 6 million Jews. Just my measly 2 cents.

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I see where your are coming from. I just cannot accept belief in fictional beings as a basis for ethics.

And really, if he were so merciful, maybe he coulda stopped Hitler after the first million or so, cause it was pretty clear we weren't getting the message.

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This thread sure drifts off topic quickly.
I dont think the original poster asked us to debate homosexuality, rather he asked if it was courageous and/or relevant.

Courageous? Yes. Not for the same reason most of you state. I think being steadfast in your beliefs (whatever they are) independent of social acceptability or popularity or how others will respond is courageous.

Relevant? Not in the slightest. He plays basketball professionaly; his job is to entertain. I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation and dont see how it could be relevant to his ability to entertain (limited as it may be).


P.S: This whole homosexuality debate is a waste of time. You exchange points but both sides refuse to see the other sides views and valid because you disagree upon the base premise (The Bible).
With that said, can future posts actually respond to the original question?

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I just cannot accept belief in fictional beings as a basis for ethics.

Interesting Tangosz. That could be quite offensive to those that do believe. You obviously dont believe but is it necessary to start insulting those that do?


Not that youre the only one that has done so but you just happened to post that as I replied myself.

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Like I said, free will. But like CrazyHunter said, let's try to keep this from turning personal and get back to the original question.

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I don't accept the notion that peoples' emotional reactions to arguments, such as being offended by something someone says, are at all relevant to the argument per se. I'm offended when a person trots out a book written by people thousands of years ago and uses it in discussions about current day events. But I don't expect them to refrain from doing so because I feel offended. (in fact I agree with Jason and those who've said that just because God created something, or allowed it to come into existence, doesn't mean he endorses it -

And I also don't accept your attempt to control where the discussion in thread evolves towards. It belongs to all of us, not just the original poster. It's not as though the discussion that's ongoing is completely unrelated to the initial posts (all of the discussion about being gay is directly related to the question of how courageous it is to admit it).

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I wasnt claiming to be offended. I was simply pointing out that it could be construed as offensive. Basically it was the most recent example of belittling comments or insults or whatever you want to call it that people are slipping into their posts in this thread be it intentional or not. I just dont think it's necessary or helpful for discussion. Thats all.

It's not as though the discussion that's ongoing is completely unrelated to the initial posts (all of the discussion about being gay is directly related to the question of how courageous it is to admit it).

Fair enough. Was not trying to "control" the thread. My apologies.

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Ok, maybe my response was a bit strong. And I actually didn't take your comment as you yourself being offended; it was more for anyone who who might feel that way.

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Is Jason Collins coming out relevant to basketball or is it just relevant to society? Apparently it triggered a lengthy discussion between random people on the internet on a fake basketball simulation game website, so I'd say thats proof its relevant to society. Is Jason Collins a relevant basketball player, of course not, but I don't think that was the question.

Do athletes coming out make any difference? From my own limited HS and college sports experience as a player, sports culture in general harbors more homophobia than other parts of American culture. Maybe if more athletes at all levels come out in might make a difference in combating that.

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Well God created the Head Hunter Tribes, murderers, rapists, child molesters, and even Los Angeles Laker Fans....that doesn't mean he is "in support" of them.


Lol +1

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