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277748.47 in reply to 277748.46
Date: 3/10/2016 9:41:54 AM
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User 1 broke the rules in the forum by answering ironically to User 2.


This alone is ridiculous. As you stated yourself, you are using irony/cynicism quite often - everybody should do so once in a while. So how can this be a case of breaking the rules in the first place.


Since we're giving some details, it was specifically in a transfer ads thread, which have the following notification at the beginning of every authorized transfer ads thread:


Special rules for players advertisements
- They are only allowed in the specific threads located in the national forums(this one). These threads can only be created by a staff member, if your country needs one or the old one is closed, ask a staff member to open a new one.
- Only one ad. per week is allowed. You may post as many players as you like in your ad.
- Local users may advertise any of their players that is listed for sale, foreign users may only advertise players who have the nationality of the forum country. Players should be on the roster of the user who lists them for sale on the transfer list.
-No values (TPE) requests or discussions about the players are allowed.


It's similar to the difference between discussions that are allowed to go on indefinitely in the global or suggestions forums, but that are not allowed and usually cut off quickly if they're in the Bugs forum.

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277748.48 in reply to 277748.44
Date: 3/10/2016 9:57:23 AM
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2. That's fine, but I also don't want a GM to decide at his discretion when the situation involves only members of 2 communities, on national forums of one of these communities, if the GM belongs to any of these communities. If a GM goes ahead and does that, I want to be able to report him as well and have someone not involved take a look at the situation. However without a policy that states that GM shouldn't rule in such circumstances this is a moot point: I would be reporting a GM for doing something that is fine with the current policy, which makes no sense whatsoever.


I've read the bolded part numerous times now. I can't help but think you are suggesting that all national forums should be moderated by someone *not* of that nation, and then if someone from a nation who is moderating the forum sees a post from someone from his/her own country, (s)he must abandon moderating that thread and summon another GM from a third country.

We do often handle issues and reports from other countries' users and occasionally have to ask local GMs who are native speakers for advice on whether, for example, a team name or a message sent is offensive. But since those GMs are also part of those communities, there's still inherent bias possible.



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277748.49 in reply to 277748.47
Date: 3/10/2016 7:10:24 PM
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I appreciate that but if you get people advertising their players directly on the English forums at massively inflated prices then people who have been playing the game for a little while are going to be a bit pissed off.

I'm not talking standard levels of inflation but 'literally every one that isn't a scrub listed at 1 million' kind of inflation.

Last edited by Manon at 3/10/2016 7:16:15 PM

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277748.55 in reply to 277748.54
Date: 4/7/2016 8:20:47 AM
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Then I'll say without discussing a particular decision, it is wrong not to inform people of the outcome of the appeal. Without any idea of how long an appeal can take how can you know when a negative decision has been made?

This post clearly is about a process, and not a decision, therefore I expect it not to be deleted.

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277748.57 in reply to 277748.56
Date: 4/7/2016 9:44:32 AM
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My understanding of the BB appeal process is that they feel you must accept the original decision.

All the appeal is is asking them to take a 2nd look, and they are saying they do. You get a confirmation that your appeal was sent but there is no guarantee of anything beyond that.

THey say
"We got your message"
Tehy don't promise to come back later or within X time frame and say
"YOur appeal was denied"

You would only normally hear back if they reversed a decision.

None of that contradicts anything I said.

IMO tehy can do what they want. This is not a government or a club. Its a business, their business. You can only vote with your feet and your $$, and its a vote of approval or denial, no grey area. They let us talk here, and talk back, but we shouldn't expect it.

I agree its a business. I'm not sure where I said it wasn't but I think its clear its a business. As such they shouldn't really do things that drive people to vote with their feet, if indeed there is a danger of that. As for expectations, unfortunately I do have them, and in this matter I feel its decent to expect a reply to an appeal.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, and I believe I can see your point. I just can't agree with you on this one.

It's probably smart for them to discuss with customers etc. more...but I think at the point of appeals they are dealing with very unruly customers and they have to make a choice at some point how to use their limited resources. Should they post stuff like news messages that all 20k users can see, or post a million 'sorry you were in teh wrong' appeal messages to people who can't take responsibility for being unruly in the forums???????

I've not said anything about news message that all 20k users can see so I don't see why you'd bring that up. I doubt its quite a million messages they'd need to send, and nor do I agree that every appeal is by people who can't take responsibility for being unruly in the forums.


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