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What I wish is to have the same chances of yours to decided whether and where spending my money: if we would be in II division both, we should decide on the same basis among a level 7 trainer, a killer center, a larger amount of seats, etc. At this moment, we cannot.

we do decide on the same basis its just that you have to do so quicker as your div's are much tougher then ours.

it still does not change the FACT that whole div's in italy/spanish have hit there SALARY CAP and SHOULDNT be expecting to be able to buy new players from the the tl.

if all your teams are running at almost 0 profit why are you even looking for a new player ?

as i have said countless times this is how the game i meant to be , once you hit the salary cap it really comes down to who can manage there team better not who can make better "trades" on the tl.

so far im yet to see one argument that makes any sense or presents any actual problem, and all the so called fix's do is either give you guys more money or lesson the rest of money for the rest of the globe.
which really just gives you guys more money any way.

so then you will hit the salary cap again and come back and complain, this is the bit you guys dont get , there is no fix to this issue as its inevitable , its a game feature , wait and let the smaller countries catch up to your level of competition .

the games still quite young , it may take another 12 seasons before australia hits that level of comp in its top 4 div's , and personally i cant wait.

Please people stop writting those long posts its the same thing written all over again and it only comes to wanting more money in the end...which infact wont help you at all.....
Zyler has told you the thruth countless times and you still deny it...

At this point I think it could be good to look back at earlier statements from BB-Charles. (From: (129389.248) and (129389.353))

The vast majority of teams will never play a competitive game with somebody outside their country, and play most of their competitive games with teams in their own league. The most important thing we look at in terms of game balance is whether teams who start later are able to compete with those who start earlier. In particular, I'd say that the most important metric we look at is that teams which promote are able to compete reasonably with teams who are already in their division, and that teams which demote do not automatically repromote. Since Italy seems to have come up as an example, there are 350 teams that promoted in season 9 in Italy and continued to have human owners through the present time. Of those 350, 11 promoted again in season 10, 191 remained in their new league, and 148 relegated. That corresponds to 42.3% relegation, compared to a 25% chance of relegation for an average team. The chance to promote twice in a row was quite low, as teams needed to acclimate to their new league first. Seems roughly reasonable to me.

We can of course debate whether these are the desired numbers. I think these are pretty close to what we are looking for -- generally speaking, teams who promote have a good chance to compete and teams that demote are not dominant, meaning that a new team can hope in the long run to complete at the top level. It will take a while, because one needs to beat each successive division; the numbers tell you that a team created in division VI in Italy should not expect to reasonably be in Serie A in 5 seasons. But I believe such a team can reasonably expect that if they are managed well enough, they can eventually reach and compete in Serie A.

Anyway, that's the most important thing we look at -- whether new managers can hope to get to the top and the rate of mixing among leagues.

I haven't seen anybody try to do an analysis apart from the post(s) I made. If you don't believe my analysis, then I'd recommend doing an independent analysis and seeing what results you get.

I think if you look at the history of discussions in Global, the BBs tend to believe our own analysis over unsupported assertions, but we're pretty good about reading other people's analysis and responding appropriately. But we're not going to be convinced by a bunch of big-country managers complaining about the advantages that small countries have...

Are there any reasons to believe that this have changed? I think they still monitors these numbers and I suppose they still look ok, otherwise I can agree with the need of action.

the games still quite young , it may take another 12 seasons before australia hits that level of comp in its top 4 div's , and personally i cant wait.

Australia born in season 2,and have 740 active users,we have to suppose that you don't still hit the salary cap because you are incapable managers maybe?
It is what seems from your words...

i don't want to judge your ability as managers,but the system was made to give you a TEMPORARY advantage to allow you to improve fastly on the market than the other nations to reach them,while in 12 season the gap between nations enlarge because we made better moves...we can't still be damaged for a YOUR fault to build competitive teams

P.S. How can you think to train a PG with star potential with PITIFUL JS?It simply doesn't have sense

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 4:32:48 AM

How are we bad managers?
We don't have to buy better players all the time because is less competition.
How is this any of our fault? It your fault for going on crazy spending sprees then looking to give someone else the blame.
How can we improve from the market? You are already above us on the players level so we are trying to catch up.

How are we bad managers?
We don't have to buy better players all the time because is less competition.
How is this any of our fault? It your fault for going on crazy spending sprees then looking to give someone else the blame.
How can we improve from the market? You are already above us on the players level so we are trying to catch up.

Teams creates competition,we can't create competition for you
How can you improve on the market?You are the first in your league and you spend 120k per players,assuming you want to spend 40k for staff and 10k for scouting,and that you income 250-260-270 k/week,you have 80-90-100k/week of profit...at the end of the season you have 1-1,4M+cup incomes to spend on the market,I have around 0 of weekly profit
If the math is not an opinion,you have 1-1,4M more than me to spend on the market,and the same mine possibility to train,you could easily catch up us in few seasons...

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 4:55:32 AM

i don't want to judge your ability as managers,but the system was made to give you a TEMPORARY advantage to allow you to improve fastly on the marke

Who said that this is what you're meant to do? Just because one manager or one division, one country even has decided to reach their "salary cap" by loading up on players from the transfer market faster than other countries, what makes that the correct decision?

Maybe some countries are deciding to spend more time training their way up to the cap or taking a different strategy altogether.

I think part of the problem here is that most of the people complaining about not having enough money simply want to "improve fastly on the market" whereas that may not be the right way to go about success.

So tell me, what exactly is the problem?

it makes sense, pass/def only pg , keeps salary way down and allows me to play stronger players in other positions.

but thats completely off topic, our abilities as managers does not effect you in anyway as we do not play each other.

the only thing that effects you is your league , in which you guys have hit the salary cap

every other manager in here is telling you guys that , how dont you get it.

I think part of the problem here is that most of the people complaining about not having enough money simply want to "improve fastly on the market" whereas that may not be the right way to go about success.

We don't think we have little money.
We believe that the economic benefit to be given to smaller nations (like Australia) should be temporary rather than permanent, because this penalizes us a lot on the market (which is global).
We don't want to go on the market to buy players from 100 k and more, but we want to buy players from the salary reasonable that allow us to complete our teams, without all the times we are being led away by a user of a small country with offers too high!

There are 2 different questions:

1) Italy and Spain are in the same situation and all the teams in Italy and in Spain have to fight with the same economy so in this case it doesn't matter if someone earns or lose money

2) Is a pity to see one of the top players go in a third Bangladesh division only because the team plays against bot, has a salary of 20k/week in total and can easily collect 30m in a couple of weeks

At the end, I'm really happy about this economy, is hard to manage a team in this situation but honestly this situation seems not so difficult everywhere. I've written only when someone says "global economy is not influenced ny our profit" every single cent has an influence in the global market