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hehe, no man, my formulas are universal. I had many diffrent players over the seasons, and every time I need to buy a new one it's not a player of my team and they also need to work on them.

Siontis was the proof that they work. With his high wage he came out at around 90, while Kenez hits the 97 as a SG.
But that's just an abstract number. I then use it with some extra info on the player to get what I call the rating for my player.

Some of those ratings come close to the real ratings they get in the games, others are a few units off. But overall the players with the higher rating in my formula, also have the higher rating in the game. So that's quite a relief to see that with my ratingsystem I have the opportunity to opt for the best player at THAT time (very important, as it somethimes changes due to the form). Ofcourse it's not absolute as some players who have a lower rating can have the specific skills needed for a specific match-up.

I think you might be getting the idea why I take so long to put my line-ups each week for my games. There is a lot of info to put in the formulas, and even then I need to look for specific skills on some players. In the end I need to make a good dividing over the 3 games to get them the minutes, and a good training.

this game is actually realy though.

nice discussion...

and imo you're both correct...
I even wonder if you both had to go f.i. for a SG on the TL and you've had the choice between 3 SG...
you wouldn't both go for the same...

nice discussion...

and imo you're both correct...
I even wonder if you both had to go f.i. for a SG on the TL and you've had the choice between 3 SG...
you wouldn't both go for the same...

hehe, probably yes.
The diffrence is I would have gone for the same 3 seasons ago, and Revo would possibly have picked an other back then
;)

Go Belgium!

Hi man... as I told you one month ago I'm not stupid :-)

Cyprus finished 5-2 as Belgium and Denmark... you should be a little bit disturbed by England that didn't crunch last match allowing Denmark an easy W.

Anyway my tactic was right... as someone said some posts before (I don't remember who) I can't decide points difference on other matches! I've done what I could do on my opinion with a 59th team ranking.

You faced 4 CT, but JoeMaverick is a really good coach (I appreciate him) and if England would play CT against Denmark you could be in...

My post is not "I'm cool, I'm right, I'm awesome" :-) it was just to point that I'm not stupid as you said on 29/12 and I think that I show that I'm not with results.

@JoeMaverick: you had a bad schedule, that's why it was so hard for you reach the second place... you were really near, but I don't know why... England decide to play CT against Germany and Belgium... and not against Denmark...
We will see on Consolation Tournament next season. Good Luck!

Last edited by Steve Makis™ at 2/9/2010 7:21:18 AM

i had this discussion with revo too.

even if we would have CTed the last game for the NT we would have lost by more than 6 or 8 points, whatever it was that Belgium needed. It is so easy to point fingers at England. Belgium didnt not qualify because we played with a very low enthusiasm in the last game, and because we did not CT, they did not qualify because they didnt score enough points themselves...

Why did we need to CT? To help Denmark and not help Belgium? I dont see a difference. We were out so why not try something new (not saying this was elboss idea, cause I dont know, but we didnt need to win).

It was logical we CTed vs Germany. at that point one more loss would have ment we were unable to qualify. So we needed to win, so we CTed.

I respect what Cyprus does with their NT and U21. A great example for many. But the ranking system is greatly flawed. We won 5 from the first 6 games and dropped 10 places. That isnt a good system, the wins most recently should decide rankings and not what happened 2 seasons before... Also you arent playing the same teams every season. I dont think it matters either who you beat, just win or loss is registered. a Ranking system like chess would be more suitable. In your case, your team is alot better than 57th and we all know that :)

Anyway enough said. I just wished people on these forums would point less fingers without having facts or ask first what the thoughts were/are behind certain decisions...

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/9/2010 7:26:00 AM

if I said you where stupid, I am sorry. I might have, but it was a bad choice of words. English is not my native language. If I used the word stupid I meant it in the way of making a mistake.
I don't think you are stupid. I think you made a mistake. And no matter your result, I still do think you made a mistake.

If you truely understand the effect of enthousiasm on games, and what it means for future games you will get what I mean. Until that time, it's pointless to discuss it. This does NOt mean you are stupid. Let that be clear.

England didn't have any reason for CT, so why would they tear their enthousiasm down? No I'm not distrubed in the least about them not CT-ing. When I said I hate it when other teams influence the standings of some, whitout getting better of it themselves, I also meant it when it would be positive, or negative for Belgium. I would hate it to qualify in someone else's stead if they where punched by some other team, just as much as when Belgium would not qualify when we get punched and some other team can qualify because of it...

No hard feelings or anything either. It's just the way things go.

What I do wonder however is, ... wouldn't you have qualified if you'd normalled against Belgium and won? Maybe you wouldn't win, but still I think you might have, ... I am prety confident your chances for qualification would be higher. So I still think, yes, you did make a mistake... Ofcourse you don't have to agree. It's just how I see it.

No, I don't agree... i will explain my mistake in Cyprus forum, after the updating of our youth ranking to all cypriot community.

Anyway it's your way to think and I respect it.

Why, on my opinion, they should play CT:

a) they are out, so they can win one more match (for National Team ranking)

b) because they crunched against Belgium and to do a fair process tournament I will play CT as well against Denmark

c) enthusiasm when you are out of competition is no more important... for what? Scrimmages?

d) prove to his community that he could win another game

These are my reason for what I don't totally agree with Elboss and the reasons why I will be a little bit upset if I was Belgian... but I'm italian "working" for Cyprus and I've made other mistakes, but my starting position was really different from Belgium, England and Denmark.

It's my point of view, sure... I don't wanna kill Elboss or "point my finger", just to discuss about..

Just two other things:

if I said you where stupid, I am sorry. I might have, but it was a bad choice of words. English is not my native language. If I used the word stupid I meant it in the way of making a mistake.

Ok, I understand your reasons. Anyway English is not (obviously) my mother tongue as well :-)

If you truely understand the effect of enthousiasm on games...

That's why I act on this way this season :-) but I think that you don't know NT enthusiasm fluctuations if you haven't been NT coach

NT Recap: English version part 1


hi all,

for those of you who've been following the Belgian NT team, you knew that we were facing a nearly impossible task of winning against Germany in order to qualify for the second round of the European championship. But before we get to our match against Germany, there will be a summary of the road that the Belgian NT followed leading up to this game. this is to let the others know who joined up recently and for those who haven't been able to see what the NT did up untill now.

anyhow, our pool consisted of the following 8 countries with their ranking at the start of this season: Germany (9), Belgium (10), Danmark (33), England (38), Georgia (57), Cyprus (59), Albania (72), Ireland (75).

At first glance, we thought there was a possibility to get the second place because England and Danmark, our two biggest opponents for the second place (Germany was too strong), were stronger but defeatable. With a good managing, the qualification was possible.

However, in our first game against Cyprus, we ended up suffering a major loss. We never expected Cyprus to go Crunch Time, and we were taken by surprize. We suffered almost a 30 point loss, and that would be very difficult to overcome. Nevertheless, we worked even harder after the loss to get back some points. The result was that we won our games against Georgia, Ireland and Albania. Even though we would won against these 3 opponents, we weren't really satisfied with the results of the game against Ireland and Albania, since we had expected to have bigger wins ( if we only ad scored 22 points more, then we'd have been second instead of 3rd....)

At this point, Germany and Danmark both had won 4 games. Belgium was ranked 3rd behind them, with 3 wins and one loss. Cyprus and England (who had suffered a loss against Cyprus aswell and had lost by a narrow margin to Sakartvelo) were 4th and 5th. Everyone knew that the decision on who would get the second position, would be decided by the scores of the 3 remaining matches...
the first game against Danmark ended in a 93-81 victory for the Belgian NT. Meanwhile, England nearly defeated Germany, playing crunch against TIE, but the game ended in a 100-103 victory for Germany. England at this point had suffered 3 losses, and so we lose a rival in the race for the second position in our pool.

NT Recap: English version part 2


Then we played England, while Germany played Danmark. Danmark was cruched by Germany, and we defeated England by 119 - 107.
At this point, Germany was ranked first, and would take the first spot for sure. We were ranked 2nd, with 18 points advantage on Danmark. Now there were two possible scenario. The first one was a loss for Belgium, and a win for Danmark. However, for Danmark to end second, they'd need to erase a 18 point difference with Belgium. And the 2rd, most unlikely scenario was that if Belgium would defeat Germany, then Belgium would cease the second position automatically.

Unfortunately, it ended up being the first scenario. The English NT decided to go easy on the Danish NT, which meant that the only way for qualification would be by winning our game against Germany. Unfortunately, we suffered a 12 point loss ( 115-103 for Germany). since the Danish NT was very happy to see the English help, we ended up 3rd in a heavely contested poule, missing the second spot by 22 points less in the goal difference.

We've experienced what it means to be seen as the team to beat. no less than 4 teams decided to go crunch against us (Cyprus, Danmark, England and the most unlikely, Albania), hoping to cease a victory. One of them was succesfull (Cyprus). Nevertheless, looking back at the qualifying round, we regret the fact that we couldn't make it to the next stage. However, we only missed it by a small miserable 22 points. Unlike last season, we weren't underestimated... yet we managed to get rather far with our small NT team.

The whole NT team would like to thank every coach who has helped the Belgian NT, were it by limitting the number of minutes on their player, thus sacrificing a win for the better gameshape of their player, or by training the players that aren't in the NT team, but who are being monitored by the NT staff. Our Coach Joe has suprized everyone once again, by taking this team so far. Unfortunately, we came up short this time. But if everyone trains their players, then I am rather sure that Joe or whoever his succesor will be, could lead this team to the next lvl. towards the european championship, and who knows what might happen at that level...

So for everyone who helped out in whatever way it may be, the Belgian NT would like to thank you for your efforts. We hope to see you work as hard as this season (if not harder), and we'll try to work even harder in season 12 than we did in season 11 to bring the Belgian NT to the top.

Revo