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Nah you have to achieve it in one of the top 2 divisions or it doesn't rate :)

well, i have to say nash is not much of a defender but also we might be overrating defense a bit. i am yet to test good offense vs good defense in a meaningful way but i think strong defense is not as bad as we think. hard to prove you wrong if you say it is pretty low, i just can't seem to know exactly what point of defense is "enough" to defend well against "good" offensive players.

you have to note that kidd is way past his best at the moment. i can not say the same for nash, which actually proves a shooter is always a shooter but defense comes and goes.

I have been following Kidd since he was at St, Joseph's in Alameda. He has never been a good shooter. In fact, he is a terrible shooter, which only goes to show that you can still be one of the best players in the game and be an atrocious shooter. And I'm not sure you know much about Pete Maravich if there are any players you think are better shooters. Plus, he was an incredible passer. Maravich would be:

Jump Shot: legendary Jump Range: legendary
Outside Def.: respcectable Handling: legendary
Driving: wondrous Passing:stupendous
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: prolific

His career was cut short by a knee injury confounded by depression drinking, but Pistol Pete was clearly the most gifted scorer to ever play the game until Jordan showed up. He averaged 44 points a game in college with no 3 point line. And in his only season in the NBA that had the triple, when he was old and decrepit, he shot 67% from behind the arc.

Kidd has developed to be a decent threat at the 3p line. Perhaps in BB we could place it under experience.

John Stockton is very comparable to steve nash

Stockton could play D. Dirty D. Smallish, nobody could take him as a tough guy, but he was. Nash has more flair than him, more enjoyable to watch but from the other side Nash never played for Sloan of something like him.

True, but also Stockton is way nice at assists! i dont think there will a player that can beat his assists per game through out their whole season, he was pushing 13 assists per game for like 9 seasons.

1. John Stockton* 15806
2. Jason Kidd 10631
3. Mark Jackson 10334
4. Magic Johnson* 10141
5. Oscar Robertson* 9887
6. Isiah Thomas* 9061
7. Gary Payton 8966
8. Steve Nash 8061
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