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just rotate IS,ID and RB.

Outside skills are too low to even bother trying to train and at 7'3 it will take forever

Nah, the GMs close down half our threads there. o.o

This is why it doesn't work,the potential growth of a 18 years old and of a 19 years old are very different,so the TPE should not compare those two players.

It doesn't! It estimates a single players potential sale price based on current market trends of players with similar characteristics. Never have I used it to compare the 2 players...

And working only on the highest skill mean that you have no idea on the players that the TPE consider
If a player has marvelous JS,but inept in Od can't be compared with a player marvelous in JS and marvelous in OD

Firstly, a guard with marvelous JS and inept OD (both primary guard skills) would sell for much less than one with marvelous OD. It would most likely tell you that the player is probably the worst of the players the estimate is generated on. But when have I said to neglect primary skills and concentrate on a single skill?

Secondly, a tall (what this discussion is actually about if you didnt know) with marvelous JS and OD would take seasons of training solely on secondary training and would be a massive waste as C/PFs have no use having such a high OD level. How many inside C/PFs have that level of JR and how many outside shots do they take? Also how many 18-19 year olds do you see with any marvelous secondary skills?

Not only have you gone of topic as well, but you are adding more variables that have no connection to the player this thread is actually about. I have said that a player that is 18-19 with less than average secondary skills is better training primaries for value of their immediate sale price. I have never said the TPE isn't flawed, but it is what similar players have sold for recently.

You said to provide proof that the TPE was wrong, and I provided evidence, and you didn't reply :P

Paul O'Sullivan (2237015)... A 33 year old sold 50k under his TPE. No big surprise...

Shang Hong Tae (11670348)... This player is better because he is a well balanced player (that statement in the estimate means more total skills, secondaries included, especially in this players case). Plus with his starter potential, he is probably starting to slow down due to his soft cap where are the other players still have room for (you guessed it) primaries...

Iván Paez (4577665)... A reasonably well rounded player sold within his estimate, but definately down the bottom end of it. Also lacks in defence...

Indrek Pajuste (4815773)... less than 17k from his 500k estimate...

Jos Nouwen (2296356)... Who wants a 30 yo C with mediocre rebounding? Take 2 levels off his JR and OD and put them on his Reb and he would most likely sell above his cap...

I dont know whos view you were trying to validate here? None of the players had overly bad secondaries, and the ones how would have spent a lot on them were coming up well short as well...

Also I searched for players with over 20k salary and 8 out of the 10 players listed on the first page did not list a TPE as similar players hadn't been transferred recently.

Once again about being off topic, how many 18-19 year olds come up in that search?





Last edited by Pablo Ignatio Montoya at 8/26/2010 3:07:25 AM

I wasn't searching for 19 year olds, I was just searching for all players.
My point was that the TPE doesn't work well. And the fact that I listed the first 5 or 6 players that had TPEs listed and only 1 of them was actually within the TPE and all of them were lower than the estimate means the TPE isn't working well.

Okay here are young players:

Papa Sow (16404666)
Point Guard
Owner: AS La Patrie

Weekly salary: $ 5 033

DMI: 12400
Age: 19
Height: 5'9" / 175 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: pitiful

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 103 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable passing and star potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Papa Sow have been selling for around $ 40 000 to $ 450 000.

Sold for: $ 178 000. The TPE is giving a range of 410k so obviously the player will probably be in there. And yet the player was on the lower end of the TPE. Giving a TPE with such a big range is useless,

Pablo Matías Hasquiry (14610487)
Point Guard
Owner: Unión Vecinal de La Plata

Weekly salary: $ 4 117

DMI: 5900
Age: 19
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: 6th man
Game Shape: awful

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: respectable
Driving: average Passing: average
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: awful Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 16 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable handling and 6th man potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Pablo Matías Hasquiry have been selling for around $ 8 000 to $ 150 000.

He sold for $ 6 000. So the TPE gives a huge margin of error and still gets it wrong.


Veselin Penkov (16391115)
Shooting Guard
Owner: TSybwme

Weekly salary: $ 3 074

DMI: 27800
Age: 18
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: average Handling: awful
Driving: pitiful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: inept Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious

Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 12 recent transfers of 18 year old shooting guards with average jump range and star potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Veselin Penkov have been selling for around $ 3 000 to $ 25 000.

Current Bid: $ 300 000 by TSybwme
Auction Ends: 8/26/2010 5:00:53 PM

So that shows that TPE is not even close to estimating the price.

Rasit Esref Sariyildiz (17158875)
Point Guard
Owner: iZMiR ZoN

Weekly salary: $ 3 202

DMI: 16400
Age: 19
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: inept Handling: average
Driving: awful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: awful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 51 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable passing and superstar potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Rasit Esref Sariyildiz have been selling for around $ 1 000 to $ 20 000.

Current Bid: $ 51 000 by Club Sarrin
Auction Ends: 8/26/2010 5:12:45 PM

The price is probably going to go up more and it shows that the TPE is once again completely wrong.

Papa Sow (16404666)... The range it gives is the price between the highest and lowest sold... He is in that range.

Pablo Matías Hasquiry (14610487)... No standout skill and terrible secondaries... Still only 2k short of the estimate.

Veselin Penkov (16391115)... That is based on average JR when the player has 2 gurd skills a respectable and also a secondary. That is an issue with that individual players TPE being wrong because of an inaccurate calculation

Rasit Esref Sariyildiz (17158875)... Someone grossly overpaying for potential. That player is not worth 50k

Now once again, stay on topic! You are meant to be showing me a young player is more valuable with all round skills than someone with higher primaries...

And working only on the highest skill mean that you have no idea on the players that the TPE consider
If a player has marvelous JS,but inept in Od can't be compared with a player marvelous in JS and marvelous in OD

Firstly, a guard with marvelous JS and inept OD (both primary guard skills) would sell for much less than one with marvelous OD. It would most likely tell you that the player is probably the worst of the players the estimate is generated on. But when have I said to neglect primary skills and concentrate on a single skill?

I was not talking about you,I was talking about how TPE works
I didn't talk in this thread of nothing except of the TPE system
And the TPE system works bad,for the reasons that I and other users wrote in the previous posts
As you(human user) can't compare a player with marvelous JS and inept Od with a player marvelous both in JS-od,so the system should not compare them when it shows you a value that should be a base for you


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/26/2010 9:34:14 AM

Joakimas Grumelaitis (13460072)
Center
Owner: Γουρουνια

Weekly salary: $ 8 698

DMI: 114100
Age: 19
Height: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: proficient

Has prominent in the inside skills and average secondaries.
He sold for $ 919 300.

My player had strong/proficient inside skills and higher secondaries and sold for almost double.

Secondaries are more expensive on young players because they are harder to train up!

Thats right. What you are impliying has no meaning to the situation this thread is about. Im tired of trying to explain that to you. Someone asked for some simple advice and you and naker have turned it into an attack on the TPE and diluted the advice the player was given. I am not comparing a player with 1 high skill to a well rounded player, but a player with more time spent on primaries than secondaries.

Now stop wasting both our time. Good day to you...