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167724.48 in reply to 167724.43
Date: 1/3/2011 1:45:17 PM
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Ahem... you did not notice that I was not replying to you, but to the guy who asked you What level coach you have.

No wonder my response seemed irrelevant to you... O_O

Come on, man.

No, actually, I didn't notice because so many people just reply to the last post rather than replying to who they intended to reply to. Understood now, though. Apologies for snapping like a turtle.

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167724.49 in reply to 167724.47
Date: 1/3/2011 2:34:48 PM
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Yes, I understand all that, but you're missing my point. My players fouled to get the opponent into the bonus before we were down by two scores. Logically, that makes no sense. To say we were being proactive and getting ready for having to foul to put him on the line is like conceding the game while it's still in reach. The only thing I can think of is that it was pre-determined he was going to make that 3 point shot and I was going to be down 5 points. Even if that's what happened, it would make more sense to foul after we're down by two scores. My argument here is about how the AI handles these last minute situations, not about whether I won or lost or who had the better team.

No,it's only to be ready to every future situation
The smartest choice would have been to commit not 4 but 3 fouls,because if your adversary wasn't unable to score and you then score you would have another foul to spend before the bonus...but however you could not remain to 0 fouls,because if you had the need to stop the clock for every reason,you couldn't do it quickly

The handling of the last minutes from AI have to be vastly improved,and for this aspect I agree with you,but going toward the bonus in this situation was the choice that your coach HAD to do in your game

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167724.50 in reply to 167724.49
Date: 1/3/2011 3:03:32 PM
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What i dont understand (and i played pro basketball for 14 years) is that if you delebrate foul an oponent the normal rule is
2 free throws and ball at the side off the court. (midfield)

If i see games where players fouls 14!!! times in the last minute then i wonder if this game is so realistic as they think it is?

No it isn't, so therefor i dont get this discussion anyways, Its not gonna get better, either you make sure you have points enough at the end off the game or you have to sit out the foul minute and pray that the GE is on your hand.

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167724.51 in reply to 167724.50
Date: 1/3/2011 3:14:54 PM
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What i dont understand (and i played pro basketball for 14 years) is that if you delebrate foul an oponent the normal rule is
2 free throws and ball at the side off the court. (midfield)

If i see games where players fouls 14!!! times in the last minute then i wonder if this game is so realistic as they think it is?

No it isn't, so therefor i dont get this discussion anyways, Its not gonna get better, either you make sure you have points enough at the end off the game or you have to sit out the foul minute and pray that the GE is on your hand.

This isn't a situation of flagrant foul,at least with the actual rules of the NBA(the league that inspired BB).And it would have sense to chnage the rule to make them flagrant fouls only if you foul on a man without the ball

However,in all the leagues of the world,it's usual to foul the man with the ball to stop the clock for the sistematic foul at the end of the game when the games are close.Maybe not 14 times,but I see many games where there was 6-7-8 fouls in the last minute

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167724.52 in reply to 167724.51
Date: 1/3/2011 3:30:43 PM
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True, but in case of an delibrate offensive foul its custom to get 2FT and the ball
In the NBA and other leagues its custum to stop the attack by fouling on the player with the ball an almoust no Ref will wisthle for that. However if you follow the rules it should be ball possesion. for the offenive side.

Problem is that in the real teams the foul will be slapping on the dribblers hand which can be explained as accidental (lol) so therefor it will be (depending on which moment and with the amount off foults) side or 2 times.
In case off a shot it will be (1 bonus if it was in) or 2 or if it was a three 3 times.

In case off pushing a player with no ball it will be flagrant, hitting a player with ball will be flagrant too.

Should be difficult to aply in this game i guess

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167724.53 in reply to 167724.50
Date: 1/3/2011 4:37:52 PM
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What i dont understand (and i played pro basketball for 14 years) is that if you delebrate foul an oponent the normal rule is
2 free throws and ball at the side off the court. (midfield)


you played pro basketball, and didn't know the difference from fouling at the end and flagrant fouls?


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167724.54 in reply to 167724.53
Date: 1/3/2011 5:33:14 PM
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offcourse i know the difference...lol

All iam saying is that if you make a DELIBRATE foul (and lets be honest, at the end off the game these are no accidental fouls) you have to regain ball possesion.
That refs dont do it in the end off the game is something else, guidelines to keep it intresting.

otherwise look at the rules:

Flagrant Foul - Two free throws, possession of the basketball out of bounds, and the player committing the foul is disqualified.
Intentional Foul - Two free throws and possession of the basketball out of bounds.

And atleast the fouls in the last minute are intentional. (since i made enough in my career)

and to be complete:

Personal Foul - Possession of the basketball out of bounds. One-and-one free throw situation if the team is above their foul limit.
Shooting Foul - Two or three free throws depending on the type of shot taken.
Technical Foul - Two free throws and possession of the basketball out of bounds.



Last edited by Snowflake108 at 1/3/2011 5:36:26 PM

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167724.55 in reply to 167724.54
Date: 1/3/2011 6:19:08 PM
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so you probadly also know, that no basketball game is called strictly by the rules? That even the officials have officially guidelines how to handle the situtions, which include also the intentionals in the last minutes as long as they aren't bad fouls?

So why you are complaining that, this game is unrealistic then when it reflect reality?

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167724.56 in reply to 167724.55
Date: 1/3/2011 6:21:43 PM
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cause my boys are lossing this kind off games

self interest lol

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167724.58 in reply to 167724.57
Date: 1/4/2011 9:12:54 PM
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I nmy last game my coach decided to make the game interesting in the last quarter. I had a 25p lead so my coach thought that resting my starters while my opponent played his starters for the most part of the quarter. Before my coach got the bright idea to take in my starters again my lead had went down to a 5p lead. Luckly for me i managed to hold out and win by a 9p.
A bit to close for my taste ^^

Yeah, I think there's built in code that with a 25+ point lead going into the fourth, he sits your starters. As I'm sure you know by now, I think the AI needs a lot of work. This one particular coaching decision can really screw you if you're neck and neck with another team and point difference begins to matter.

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