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24361.48 in reply to 24361.37
Date: 6/16/2008 8:27:06 PM
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This week I had a good opportunity to provide additional observations on the problems with OD, since the Bulgarian NT had two consecutive games where I wanted to use the same tactic.

The games are as follows: (1547) and (1767). The players are _exactly_ the same, and there have been only minor fluctuations in form. Game 1 uses 3-2, game 2 uses Man to Man.

The result? Outside Defense dropped by 1 sublevel, and Inside Defense rose by 1 full level.

As far as game shape is concerned, our starting PG and starting PF lost a level, and the starting C gained a level. Even with 1 week's worth of defense training going on (and not all of the players trained defense either), it looks like the fluctuations are way too minor to adequately represent the tactical effects.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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24361.49 in reply to 24361.48
Date: 6/25/2008 10:02:31 AM
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So is this going to be BB's "Attack on Wings" bug?

For those who don't play Hattrick, after literally years of user complaints about the Attack on Wings tactic likely being broken, and years of official denials that there was anything wrong, it was announced yesterday that there was indeed a bug.

Anyway, it looks to me like the BB's are taking this seriously and not just being dismissive, which is good. And my own guess is that this is presentational only... for example, my perimeter defense rating last game with a 3-2 (6034208) was definitely lower than it should have been, but the opponent's PG and SG matchup ratings were more consistent with a stronger defense.

Serious bug or not, it would be nice if this didn't follow the HT model, and was resolved before 2013.

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24361.50 in reply to 24361.49
Date: 6/25/2008 11:10:25 AM
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I don't think they have 8 months of summer holidays here, like it seems like the HTs have.

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24361.51 in reply to 24361.50
Date: 6/25/2008 1:34:47 PM
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Either way, it would at least be good to know whether the issue is presentational or not. Up to now, the only thing being said is that the code and the games in question look alright, though there is pretty clear evidence that a problem exists somewhere along the chain of events.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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24361.52 in reply to 24361.51
Date: 6/30/2008 3:44:21 PM
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More evidence of problems over here, again in an NT match.

(1553)

Man-to-man defence on normal, no HCA. Outside defence rating: average (medium)

(1557)

3-2 zone on CT, no HCA. MacKissock, starting SG, is 2 visible levels superior in OD than Mancier, who started in the previous game. Outside defence rating: average (low).

I'm convinced there's something gone horribly wrong somewhere. My club team consistently puts up better (much better) defence ratings than my NT in outside, and sometimes inside, defence despite the fact that the NT is staffed with superior defenders. For example, (4430883), a road TIE on high enthusiasm, compared to (1551), a road normal.



Last edited by LA-The Phil at 6/30/2008 4:44:03 PM

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24361.53 in reply to 24361.52
Date: 7/2/2008 2:25:44 AM
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Hi guys, I don't look for all examples but I know that there is often an diffenrence into the defense ratings in all and for me it was allways depending on the opponent offense, that was my solution for this different ratings and it was making sense for me because there is really a difference if the opponent has an really better Outside Offense than mine Outside Defense than my Outside Defense player are dont looking well and can not do this job so good like against an weak Outside Offense.


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24361.54 in reply to 24361.49
Date: 1/1/2009 5:03:03 PM
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Serious bug or not, it would be nice if this didn't follow the HT model, and was resolved before 2013.


Yay, looks like it was resolved before 2009 (barely) (66639.7), although the posts here in the Bugs forum didn't seem to do any good it getting the matter attention from anyone who could help.