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I wont be missed...hard to say...
Forced to play in Japan, not allowed to play in large nation. micronations are so small...then can miss any good competition. Last guy who left pakistan did so because he hated playing against nothign but bots. Not sure if he found a way to sneak a team in US long term, or if he was forced to quit by BBs because he was unlucky enough to live in a nation they made without actually having any users to fill it.

Okay, now that you have calmed down, I feel obliged to discuss some of your issues that you have raised.

You previously named teams from Japan, that you believed were cheating and many others who had been booted out because of cheating.
This I understand would be sickening to have so few competitors and then know that even less are playing by the rules.

You mentioned that you had been refused permission to start up another team in a country with more competition.
Look personally if it was my decision to make I personally would have let you do this, as they cant stop you anyhow.
(where there is a will there is a way). In sporting clubs there usually is a grievance procedure, where by if you are "knocked back or dont like a decision" that is made at one level, then you have the right to escalate the issue to a higher level, until you have exhausted the permissable steps available.

Lack of competition in micronations.

Serious issue and could partially be reduced if the 2nd team for supporters goes ahead.
Not much fun beating bots or chatting in vacant forums.
I have sympathy for you with this as there is a huge gap between being the best in a Micronation and then competing at B3 level.

Perhaps a regional style tournament, run along Private League format or an actual 2nd tournament which is multi tiered and is based across regions and where people are placed depending on the Division level they are currently in or what there ranking is. Of course there are many issues to such ideas including how flawed the current ranking system is, but in theory there could also be salary cap restrictions enforced in such a separate "Private League or secondary tournament"

Maybe even allow the winners of each nations existing tournament to progress and play the winners of other countrys tournaments for International tournament titles

I apologise for my initial snipe at you that you wouldnt be missed and I understand how frustrating such issues could be for yourself, but you didnt do yourself any favours by trying to incite other people to leave the game

The fact that you werent booted out after some of the comments that you made, demonstrates to me that despite your repeated threats to leave and the inciteful comments that you wrote, that deep down they probably recognise you as an honest decent member of the game, who has some quite legitimate issues and who they know is frustrated rather than evil

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 1/22/2014 9:21:48 PM

I would say given some of the things that he wrote, that he is actually getting off quite lightly


Yes I agree with you, you cant make everyone happy, but that said I believe he has some legitimate issues

Hope that some of my thoughts and ideas from my previous post, might encourage some more ideas

I have read the second thread debate. I'm not for that. I rather the old team be deleted and they move to a big country only with lower 5 level club. It can be a supporters feature. Maybe a 1 time only thing.

Or they can pay real money to BB do it. If every wants to do it, then make them pay for it.

My apologies in advance on butting in, but i would like to point out why i think that BB has fallen:

1) The core original members of the US community have left due to being bored with the game, or having grown out of gaming all together, or random other reasons that associate with real life issues rather than in game issues.

2) Lack of advertising is the key reason why BB is slowly dropping viewers. Those who have seen the game and left are probably somewhere around a 15-20% chance to come back, those who haven't seen it and have no contacts and are in the age in which they would like to game probably have around a .01% chance of hitting on the few remaining areas in which advertisements occasionally pop up.

3) Lack of understanding of the functionality of the game. If they don't get a mentor they're basically going to run their team into the ground for 3-5 season before emulating a successful team, and that's the equivalent of 1 real life year minimum, sometimes 2. asking someone new who is losing many games in a given year in either a micro-nation or a full sized national is a large ask if it's literally that long a wait time.

Of the three options above, this is my viewpoint on how it can be affected with limited initial risk to BB and it's funding.

1) I don't think core members are going to be any more likely to come back with random changes. I think they'll just be gone because thats life. I played multiple text games which there was an old guard that got brought in due to advertising and contacts, and when they left their contacts either recruited some more, or all their friends already knew, thus reducing the player base at a steady decline.

2) A couple of routes here. Traditional advertisement streams are probably a little rich to your upfront costs, and i don't know exactly how much cash we have to play with here. I think there is a viable alternative to this however, and it's similar to a few other games, whether we talk as big as league of legends or perhaps another relevant text based game which i wont mentioned because they are in your market and don't need any more free press. What they do is incentive current members and/or local people to actively recruit members as basically sales representatives for the game. I would think of it as a commission, where you can either outright provide someone a cash incentive to go out and recruit for you....or you could simply provide X amount of months of supporter for them for every Y amount of knew members they bring in and keep playing for more than a season or two. Can be counted by one person, can provide people with links that actively tell you who is recruiting whom when they click it. Extend current supporters who do it.

3) I find this to be a particularly lazy issue from the BB end. I think that the speed of the game makes it easy for people like me on a busy schedule to continue playing this game. However, i think that instead of fixing it so that new players know what is going on, we've instead provided some perimeters for when they can buy transfers, and perhaps the extent to which they can add salary over their break-even number. I am calling it a lazy issue because i think we're trying to fix the effects, and not the cause, of the problems that we see. I would much rather you get a few new pages up and running, have them appear for the first week or two, and explain basic mechanics that are of significant importance to a successful management stint in a shorter amount of time. Teach new players about the importance of understanding their economics, understanding game-shape, and understanding enthusiasm. If you can reduce the knowledge gap between veteran players and new players, you'll increase retainment within the game.

Maybe some of my ideas are not so good, but I'm more interested in bringing up new users, and I think that might help some other issues veteran players have.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 1/24/2014 5:42:24 PM

Back then I listed the number of active managers from all 98 countries and when I added them up, it revealed a total of 39,965 which is 8,117 more than the 31,848 active members that are listed as being part of the game today November 27th 2013, in the Communities Forum on Buzzerbeater.

Yes I may have made some mistakes (unlikely) and yes it probably is a quiet time of year leading into finals and Christmas, but statistics dont lie.

This thread is not to attack the game but instead try to come up with some ideas which might again increase its popularity, so if you have an idea or suggestion, please put it forward in this thread.

Now for some examples of the decline in numbers in different countries

Australia 462 now down to 410

Well despite what I think have been improvements in the game with the overextension tax and the GDP, the number of Managers have still dropped further from when I first started this thread

Australia is down to 372 active Managers and the overall number playing according to the community page is 29,656.

I was planning on winning the season 28 ABBL championship, but had anticipated when I set this goal, that I would have other Australian Managers to compete against.

Is it now time that some effort or money was put into promoting this great game?

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 2/17/2014 6:35:18 AM

They are working on the second team feature that can generate sone extra money that could be used for advertising.
And changes don't bring in large numbers of users in no time. It takes time to see what effect game changes have.

I agree with you. Also, i seem to remember that when we had very high number of users(I don't remember the actual number), the servers were basically dying slowly. Box score delays, slow site, bidding problems, etc. Of course, this is now fixed because the number of users was halved, and everyone seems to forget that a lot of people left just because of that. I wonder if BB can once again host so many users if it will be the case.

BTW, i love the second team feature, it really changes perspective a lot. A lot of nations that speak the same language, or have the same roots will unite in a really neat way. That's just my opinion.

I don't think it going to help. Paying for a second team. Is nothing more than farming. None said that has to win any games. it pump and dump.

To me that is not fair. I don't see how it create more users , maybe in false way( same teams with new identity) but in real life way it not bringing anyone in new. It just bring more new teams.

If managers cant play in another country. what stopping the exact same managers from being in same exact league.?

These are a few things, I would like someone to touch down on.

In my hearts of hearts. I think its too many rules and one sided tactics for to long hurt that this game. To many phathom injuries no player injure reserves, then when they add something like tax exemption with no vote of the peers till after it happens, tax buying limits with a vote after it happened. Its just bad taste in few mouth. The game has changed since season 1 or 5. Price for player s are actually going up it not getting any cheaper.

This game is crippling teams at the bottom with feees, that who is leaving the most. Teams at the bottom. A few team at the top leave, I don't think a second team at the bottom will help them stay . ita not fun hitting a low ball club with 50% on the tax. Very ,very unfair.

What to tax teams and limit buying ok fine.but do it end of the season. Its to many fees and with roads games. like so back to back. I doubt any new young player know anything about budgeting, not one guide on budgeting. How to re coup finances. Not one guide.

BB need work on the small things 1st . I understand fairness. but eery thing that goes with it in due process should rollout as well. It like a void almost

Paying for a second team. Is nothing more than farming.

Pretty sure a lot of people won't be paying to farm, get caught, and lose both teams and their money. At least I won't be.

it pump and dump.

Seriously, WTF are you talking about half (generous) the time? There's definitely a void... and I know where it is.