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once again its not permanent at all, it will just take us alot longer to hit the salary cap at our top 4 divisions.

you have what 5000 users and hit the salary cap at all stages at what season 12 ?

we have 750 users and havent hit the salary cap yet , yet because you have you want to penalize us .

come on pull the other one.

if this was the other way around and we had that many users we would be loving the competition not complaining all the time.

we wouldnt be trying to strip your income away just because you are going to take a while to catch up.

what i dont get about this whole thing is you have hit your salary cap yes ? you agree you have ?
then why the hell are you trying to buy players ? with out selling a player.

as i have said before none of your complaints make any sense or carry any merit other then you are asking for more money then other countries, (less for us still means more for you.)

STOP TRYING TO PENALIZE SMALLER NATIONS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS ONCE YOUR DIV HITS THE SALARY CAP.

The problem is that the only time we face you is on the market and on the market we are disadvantaged against you.So the only thing we have to care of your teams,is why you are advantaged on the market


We hope you reach our level of competitivity,becaue it would mean that also you hit the salary cap,so we would have the same conditions on the global market,and we would have nothing to complain,because if you beat us on the market,it would be because you use a different strategy or manage your team better than us

We can accept to be TEMPORARILY diasdvanataged on market to allow you to hit the salary cap,and then restart again with the same condition,but it is from the start of the game that this doesn't happen.THAT'S THE PROBLEM

I usa Australia as example not because I have nothing against the managers of Australia,but because the excuse "the game is still young,we need time to reach the equilibrium" used by zyler is completely false

You had 12 season to hit the salary cap and to create competition,and as like you,many other nations,but you and the other nations still don't reach it.That's would not be a problem for us,if this situatiuon would not still continue to penalize us on the market,that is the only place where we face you


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 5:44:38 AM

You don't hit the cap in II division,not in III or IV,you need less than 100 teams to full all the II divisions
So you should had to hit the cap at least in I,II and at least the top 5-6 team in every league of III division to be competitive,related to the number of users of the country


P.S.
your player is unable to score ,so at his best,if his adversary is unable to score,the matchup against adversay PG is in parity,if your Pg adversary it's also a DECENT scorer,you will always lose your match-up as PG.And no trainer will spend so much time train JS and JR to make him a decent shooter,because he has very few room to growth because his potential and to make him a decent player,you could better use your training time on better players

This is my 19yo star potential that is my third trainee,he would destroy your player if they face on the field,also if i train him surely very below his possibilities


Weekly salary: $ 7 186

DMI: 71200
Age: 19
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: prominent Handling: mediocre
Driving: strong Passing: average
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 5:43:59 AM

You do know it's the div4 Chinese farms doing this right?
*edit* Which market are we talking about?
What are you trying to show to us about your trainee?

Last edited by FannyPackMan at 8/21/2010 5:49:00 AM

once again this is not about who is the better trainer , i know how to train properly , and i know how im training isnt normal , but its currently how i wish to train the player and is my choice to do so.

and while you think that player would destroy my player i highly doubt it, yes he would score more in a 1 v 1 game.

but this isnt a 1 v 1 game is it ? its 5 vs 5 .
how would your guy go in an inside only game of 5 on 5 ? my guy would beat you at that easily.

my little test with pass/defend only pg's has no bearing on your economy

and as this is what your posts are now about i can only conclude you have no actual argument against the FACT that teams in italy and spain have hit the cap and need to change how they play rather then ask for more money.

I usa Australia as example not because I have nothing against the managers of Australia,but because the excuse "the game is still young,we need time to reach the equilibrium" used by zyler is completely false

You had 12 season to hit the salary cap and to create competition,and as like you,many other nations,but you and the other nations still don't reach it.That's would not be a problem for us,if this situatiuon would not still continue to penalize us on the market,that is the only place where we face you

In terms of growth, Australia is a lot younger than countries like Italy and Spain. From what i've seen, online basketball games are more popular in these places and maybe more advertising went to these areas as well, i'm not sure but for whatever reason, countries such as Italy and Spain (they seem to be the example being used here) have grown in size a lot quicker than some other countries (like Australia) and so have hit their cap faster.

Australia has shown rather considerable and rapid growth in the last 2-3 seasons and because of the increased competition, we are quickly reaching our caps also. In a way, you could almost say that Australia didn't really start until around season 8.

This is the situation and as the game continues to grow, everything will eventually reach an equilibrium. Until that time, if you have a temporary resolution to a transfer market problem that you say you are seeing, you're more than welcome to post a suggestion for fixing this in the Suggestions forum but simply saying "It's not fair, we need more money" kind of stuff over and over is not going to get you anywhere.

what i dont get about this whole thing is you have hit your salary cap yes ? you agree you have ?
then why the hell are you trying to buy players ? with out selling a player.

But why talk if you're not informed?
We sell players, many of us have a transfer budget in surplus.
The problem is that we are forced to sell in order to survive.
And when we get back on the market to buy young talent to train ...... we are not able to buy any decent player, because we always find a user of a smaller country than most of us can spend for the young talent (not for a champion!!)

STOP TRYING TO PENALIZE SMALLER NATIONS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS ONCE YOUR DIV HITS THE SALARY CAP.

You don't understand, we don't want to penalize users of small nations, but you are already advantaged by playing in leagues where you can easily win with a ridiculous rooster, I find it fair that also has advantages in the market, the only place where our teams can compare!

Ps Please don't write in capital letters, it is not polite.

Joethsshow, i'll copy my last message to Steve and repeat it to you and anyone else who has these complaints:

This is the situation and as the game continues to grow, everything will eventually reach an equilibrium. Until that time, if you have a temporary resolution to a transfer market problem that you say you are seeing, you're more than welcome to post a suggestion for fixing this in the Suggestions forum but simply saying "It's not fair, we need more money" kind of stuff over and over is not going to get you anywhere.

This thread is nearly 500 posts long now and hasn't really gone anywhere besides people saying the exact same things back and forth. I think both sides have gotten their views across so unless there is something different to add or some sort of suggestions to put forward, let's just stop all the repetition please.

Why do you think that only your leagues have the same problem? Why isn't France or USA complaining? Different country leagues have different strength but that's not the point. Your objective is to win your league not to win against another country team, plus, someday other countries will also hit salary caps and then you'll be equal and in fact better cause you would have faced the salary caps problem and probably will know how to fight with it. The game is created not for only Spain and Italy and please live with this truth...

im over explaining it to you guys , you have hit your cap , i am informed i know what im talking about, the reason i asked those question was trying to get you to realise what im saying.

we need to catch up to you guys , limiting our income is not fair its that simple.

you are not forced to sell to survive if you need to sell players it means your doing something wrong , every team in your comp cant be in the red.
if they are then they are spending beyond there means which is bad managing.

what i have said is not false at all.
everything you have said is a game feature not an issue.

we will eventually catch up to you , at what pace we catch up to you is our choice as a nation, as competitiveness grows here we will get closer n closer to the salary cap, then we will be in the same boat as you and we will enjoy it.

and for the last time YOU ARE NOT PENALIZED ON THE MARKET , THE REASON YOU CANT AFFORD TO BUY PLAYERS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT GREAT PLAYERS AND HAVE HIT YOUR DIV SALARY CAP

now for some comedy

whats the salary cap vegeta
its over 9000.