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From: Mr AD
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Date: 8/12/2012 6:14:52 AM
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Tanking is a very complicated issue to deal with. I still think that it is not the 'optimal' strategy, but it is a great strategy only if done in a right way. Also, as what was said, it might be not competitive for other teams but if others are patient in doing it, then let them do it. Tanking will probably take 2-3 seasons or more to have an impact. If you are a great manager, 2-3 seasons is enough time to train players and expand your arena.

In short, tanking should not be discouraged to a point where every tankimg team will stop and probably quit the game. It should be discouraged to a point where teams will rake in lower arena income. In that case, make the continuous losing have a more drastic effect on arena attendance.

Note: It is very much needed to identify teams that are tanking to those that have a weak roster or uncompetitive. This will probably be the hardest issue to address.

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Date: 8/12/2012 7:01:51 AM
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Note: It is very much needed to identify teams that are tanking to those that have a weak roster or uncompetitive. This will probably be the hardest issue to address.


very true, you can never say these ones tank for sure they just have 6 and 8m respectively in bank accounts and within these cash its a waste to buy any player.

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/95239/players.aspx)
(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/181637/players.aspx)

total 10 teams, counting me too tanked this season, some drastically, some not:D

The competition for the first pick was twice as hard as competition for promotion lol, thats bullshits. Even our u-21 nt coach is tanking in my league too lol.

I agree that bbs need to do something about this. For example make draft picks random? How more far away tanking could go? Is next seasons all 16 teams tanking?:D

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 8/12/2012 7:05:06 AM

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Date: 8/12/2012 8:16:59 AM
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I don't like that the 5th place gets more rewards than the 2nd/3rd place.

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Date: 8/12/2012 8:55:08 AM
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I agree that bbs need to do something about this. For example make draft picks random? How more far away tanking could go? Is next seasons all 16 teams tanking?:D


random draft picks is a big NO. draft picks are incentives for teams to get good trainees, if already good teams luckily picked up the first pick, the game will be so imbalanced.

From: Mr AD

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218937.495 in reply to 218937.493
Date: 8/12/2012 9:18:10 AM
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agree. i read that its better to be in 5th place than to enter the playoffs and get eliminated before playoff time since 5th placers don't need to pay player salaries for two weeks. maybe they could change the relegation system so that all teams will be involved.

case in point:
the 5th to 8th seed of every league should play every four teams of the other league and at the end, the top two finishers of each league is safe from relegation. the other two, obviously will fall.

it is a good scenario since all teams will be paying salaries for two weeks just like the finishers of top 4.

From: tough

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Date: 8/12/2012 9:19:33 AM
Mountain Eagles
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Second Team:
Ric Flair Drippers
and 4th.



494 post now and still no announcement! man!

as for the post above it's more like this:

1&2 go for a title while bankrupting themselves, winner gets survivor, loser gets potentially fired.

3, 4, 5 TANK and sell their players, all of which TIEIing and hope they don't have lower enth.......CT? or what!? 5th Place is like a coin slot in a coke machine if the coin too big you ain't there! and 5th you have to do it just right.

6 and 7 are eiher

A. Buying Monsters to rape the opponet.

B. Selling off their team ready to relegate.

it depends........NT or survive and tear the league next season?

8: Well let's see what we're doing, Manager says, drinking some wine while fans are angryand in a mob like this: (http://www.ironmill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/angry-...)

or this: (http://rockriverpatriots.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/img0...)

this if you want to see them dynamie the arena: well think of it yourself

and if they see you forfeited all 22 games then your (http://leadershipfreak.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/blowin...)

well thats all I have to say, sorry if the images were a little too aggressive but hey, I was just kidding

Last edited by tough at 8/12/2012 9:21:01 AM

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218937.497 in reply to 218937.484
Date: 8/12/2012 12:42:28 PM
AS Barroom Heroes
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Second Team:
Lone Pine Productions
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Tanked at least two whole seasons, one in Division I 2 or 3 seasons ago and one in Division II a while ago, and is now back playing for the italian championship, having won Division II and having played Division I both with monstrous payrolls.

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Date: 8/12/2012 1:04:05 PM
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Good example. I have a question, about this. He brings in roughly $500k in gate. His salaries are $1.4 million. Let's say staff cost him $50k. That leaves him $950k to make up in merch and tv. What is Serie A tv? What sort of merch does he pull? How long is his method sustainable? 2 seasons? 3 seasons? So he does great for three seasons and then tanks again and is down for how many seasons? Looking at his history, he started in d.v and worked his way up, occasionally relegating. It seems like he has done a great job managing and he is now peaking. When his run ends, he will go back to d.ii or iii and begin to rebuild. I don't see this as a problem. If he is allowing walkovers then I am against it, but otherwise I think he has done a good job with his team.

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From: Kukoc

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Date: 8/12/2012 4:21:36 PM
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I'm going to have to call BS on you too:)

So you were a team that has played the finals and won the tournament from season 3. Perhaps the 22-0 record and a championship in S12 drained your coffers. You still could take the cup next season. So you kind of semitanked S14 and tanked S15 and dropped out.

Let's count now. It took you 5 seasons to tank and get back to divI. That's 1.25 years in RL. You got back, got to 5-th record in your league. This season 12-th spot. It's not like you are making a super arena income. A crunch with only a few backups by black mumba would have taken you to relegation games (or your last game loss) and you would be playing those if you were on the red side.

So can we say you are not trying? Your team salary is not low by your league standards. Let's look at your transfers for your 2 last seasons (divI). Player bought/sold differential - 15 players total, profit with 2 players. Total -4926300 (raw value, no taxes included). Overall transfer balance -9342100 for players involved in 2 seasons (bought or sold after start of season).

Conclusion = Although you might feel great and you might have some money lieing around. BB is a game where results matter. You can state anything in the forums, some of it might be true some might not be (you have different goals, you could win if you wanted yadayadayada). The only fact I can read out of this is: you went from a seasonal finals/championship team to a "I have NT players" team.

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