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Watching it, I thought Japan was going to win by about 15... but it got VERY close at the end!

Good win for us. Very small nation, but some of us are making a really concerted effort to train up some talent.
G'luck for the rest of your games!

In a complete copy of Morwood's great U21 post I'll be listing some minimum skill requirements for NT players as well.

Note: These are pretty much minimums, if your player just hits the minimum in every skill they probably won't be making the team. I'll only be noting primary type skills, but more secondaries are always appreciated and can make up for holes at other skills in some cases. Also GS is always important, so don't you forget it!

Point Guards
JS: 15 JR: 12
OD: 17 HA: 14
DR: 14 PA: 15

Shooting Guards
JS: 17 JR: 13
OD: 17 HA: 14
DR: 14 PA: 12

Small Forwards(SFs can have a great deal of variation-so this is probably the roughest guide of all)
JS: 15 JR: 10
OD: 13 HA: 12
DR: 12 PA: 10
IS: 12 ID: 12
RB: 10

Power Forwards
JS: 10
OD: 7 HA: 7
DR: 7 PA: 7
IS: 16 ID: 16
RB: 15

Centers
JS: 7
OD: 5 HA: 5
DR: 5 PA: 5
IS: 17 ID: 16
RB: 16

what about

PG
JS: 6
OD: 20
ID: 12
PA: 20

that SF gets killed, you know.

The D is nowhere near enough. If you're going 13/13 OD/ID, he better be a scoring machine.

I appreciate they are minimum values but I think they are too minimum!

A guy like that would probably be on the team(he may not play in certain offenses) but it would take a very dedicated manager to build such a player, as their own team would have to be built in a very specific way to use him effectively.

Yeah the double minimum for SF kinda killed that, I may split that into inside/outside oriented SFs. Currently is has the minimum outside skills for an inside SF and the minimum inside skills for an outside SF.

Last edited by Eminence Front at 1/11/2013 6:17:03 PM

yeah, you'd probably need someone like Austin at the 5.

Last edited by Elmacca at 1/11/2013 6:24:04 PM

Agghhh

And I thought the other one hurt :(

But looking at the standings we should still be alive to advance, but we'll need to win our last two to have a shot.

Last edited by Eminence Front at 1/14/2013 3:52:30 PM

And Latvia unofficially ends our season. I learned a couple things about lineup setting today. It's obvious that we aren't quite far along as we'd hoped, but I believe we are moving things in the right directions, and hopefully next season we can really start to see some results as our young guard really starts asserting itself.

For the scrimmages to end the season(plus our game against Panama) I will most likely be trying out some different different tactics and lineups, if anyone has any ideas on what to try out just get a hold of me with your thoughts.

Wooh, an absolutely phenomenal game against Belgium earlier this afternoon. Get excited folks, our young core on the perimeter looked amazing-Palit/Gascoigne/Marshall. We'll continue testing with Belgium next week to hopefully learn a few more things, here's hoping it's half as good as the first one!

I want to tell you more, but really I think it'd just ruin a great game that you could enjoy for yourselves, I will say it featured an absolute duel at the SF between Vottem Cowboys teammates Connor Marshall and Mees Freire. Amazing stuff.

Last edited by Eminence Front at 2/11/2013 5:37:49 PM

@ Astra:

Belgium has an SF that is only a little bitt better than 13/13 in OD/ID. i use him in GS 9 as a starter because i know he'll be able to lock down my opposing SF. The only players he has trouble with are when you put true shooters against him (we're talking about JS 19+ and JR 13+, but then i got an advantage on rebounding and inside scoring) or when he faces a big ( and then we're talking about IS 17+, which isn't very common on SF's unless you use a PF there, but then my SF will butcher the opposing player on outside)

So it's a pretty good guide. I'll admit that it your SF is that exact minimum in all skills that he won't be great, but add another 10 skills onto the proposed set and you've got a guy who can hold his own surprizingly well.

@ Eminence:

Very interesting game. should proof to be a good thing to get some data from. It's encouraging that the bigs of both teams shots below 33% of all the shots. And the type of guards that stepped up to put in points is interesting too. I'm still slightely surprized about the showndown between the Vottem Players (it's Marshall vs Mees/Backaert, all Vottem mind you ;) and the fact that the SF's, despite both being bigs, went on a scoring rampage despite the 2-3 zone.

Considering we played on equal GS and that both sides didn't have there top players in prime shape ( Belgium was lacking in the guards departement due to recent injuries, meaning the guy's who usually are back-ups or reserivists got a bitt more time) with a smaller rotaiton than that we usually see for the Belgiums, where as Englands inside wasn't in prime shape, limiting your rotation on the bigs end.

Never the less, this game has shown that England can now compete with the subtop teams and that all the only things you need to make it to the european championship, is a bitt of luck with GS ( or being underestimated by it's opponents). England has made huge progress as of late, and i think everyone knows who has helped England take that big step forward.

The games will now be decided upon details ( such as GS of players and opponents, experience on players in money time and OT, skillset of the secundairy teams etc). That is what seperates the good teams from the Great Nt teams. Getting those details right takes a long time, but i think that it's safe to say that England can truely compete with any European NT except for the top 6 european nations. (i'm not claiming that you'll beat the teams. i'm merely stating that you got a shot at winning those games under the right circumstances, something which wasn't the case 4 seasons ago).

R~

I think you mean me, not Astra. You add 10 skills to any NT-level starter and he becomes a pretty good player ;-)

I'd rather have a 16/10 or a 10/16 guy than a 13/13 guy when it comes to SF D. And I had a season 16 win against Belgium with that type of call (ok, 1 pt, extra enthusiasm, but you were ranked 22 and we were in the 60s).

Eminence has been great for the NT; it's a shame he needs a sabbatical. Pretty difficult to find someone good enough to do the job right for one term only before Eminence throws his baseball cap back into the ring.

And I agree with what you're saying about England being just about able to give anyone a game. Although we still don't have a full set of weapons, we finally have just about enough to go to war with.



Last edited by Elmacca at 2/12/2013 12:21:34 PM