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You do know it's the div4 Chinese farms doing this right?
*edit* Which market are we talking about?
What are you trying to show to us about your trainee?

Last edited by FannyPackMan at 8/21/2010 5:49:00 AM

once again this is not about who is the better trainer , i know how to train properly , and i know how im training isnt normal , but its currently how i wish to train the player and is my choice to do so.

and while you think that player would destroy my player i highly doubt it, yes he would score more in a 1 v 1 game.

but this isnt a 1 v 1 game is it ? its 5 vs 5 .
how would your guy go in an inside only game of 5 on 5 ? my guy would beat you at that easily.

my little test with pass/defend only pg's has no bearing on your economy

and as this is what your posts are now about i can only conclude you have no actual argument against the FACT that teams in italy and spain have hit the cap and need to change how they play rather then ask for more money.

I usa Australia as example not because I have nothing against the managers of Australia,but because the excuse "the game is still young,we need time to reach the equilibrium" used by zyler is completely false

You had 12 season to hit the salary cap and to create competition,and as like you,many other nations,but you and the other nations still don't reach it.That's would not be a problem for us,if this situatiuon would not still continue to penalize us on the market,that is the only place where we face you

In terms of growth, Australia is a lot younger than countries like Italy and Spain. From what i've seen, online basketball games are more popular in these places and maybe more advertising went to these areas as well, i'm not sure but for whatever reason, countries such as Italy and Spain (they seem to be the example being used here) have grown in size a lot quicker than some other countries (like Australia) and so have hit their cap faster.

Australia has shown rather considerable and rapid growth in the last 2-3 seasons and because of the increased competition, we are quickly reaching our caps also. In a way, you could almost say that Australia didn't really start until around season 8.

This is the situation and as the game continues to grow, everything will eventually reach an equilibrium. Until that time, if you have a temporary resolution to a transfer market problem that you say you are seeing, you're more than welcome to post a suggestion for fixing this in the Suggestions forum but simply saying "It's not fair, we need more money" kind of stuff over and over is not going to get you anywhere.

what i dont get about this whole thing is you have hit your salary cap yes ? you agree you have ?
then why the hell are you trying to buy players ? with out selling a player.

But why talk if you're not informed?
We sell players, many of us have a transfer budget in surplus.
The problem is that we are forced to sell in order to survive.
And when we get back on the market to buy young talent to train ...... we are not able to buy any decent player, because we always find a user of a smaller country than most of us can spend for the young talent (not for a champion!!)

STOP TRYING TO PENALIZE SMALLER NATIONS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS ONCE YOUR DIV HITS THE SALARY CAP.

You don't understand, we don't want to penalize users of small nations, but you are already advantaged by playing in leagues where you can easily win with a ridiculous rooster, I find it fair that also has advantages in the market, the only place where our teams can compare!

Ps Please don't write in capital letters, it is not polite.

Joethsshow, i'll copy my last message to Steve and repeat it to you and anyone else who has these complaints:

This is the situation and as the game continues to grow, everything will eventually reach an equilibrium. Until that time, if you have a temporary resolution to a transfer market problem that you say you are seeing, you're more than welcome to post a suggestion for fixing this in the Suggestions forum but simply saying "It's not fair, we need more money" kind of stuff over and over is not going to get you anywhere.

This thread is nearly 500 posts long now and hasn't really gone anywhere besides people saying the exact same things back and forth. I think both sides have gotten their views across so unless there is something different to add or some sort of suggestions to put forward, let's just stop all the repetition please.

Why do you think that only your leagues have the same problem? Why isn't France or USA complaining? Different country leagues have different strength but that's not the point. Your objective is to win your league not to win against another country team, plus, someday other countries will also hit salary caps and then you'll be equal and in fact better cause you would have faced the salary caps problem and probably will know how to fight with it. The game is created not for only Spain and Italy and please live with this truth...

im over explaining it to you guys , you have hit your cap , i am informed i know what im talking about, the reason i asked those question was trying to get you to realise what im saying.

we need to catch up to you guys , limiting our income is not fair its that simple.

you are not forced to sell to survive if you need to sell players it means your doing something wrong , every team in your comp cant be in the red.
if they are then they are spending beyond there means which is bad managing.

what i have said is not false at all.
everything you have said is a game feature not an issue.

we will eventually catch up to you , at what pace we catch up to you is our choice as a nation, as competitiveness grows here we will get closer n closer to the salary cap, then we will be in the same boat as you and we will enjoy it.

and for the last time YOU ARE NOT PENALIZED ON THE MARKET , THE REASON YOU CANT AFFORD TO BUY PLAYERS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT GREAT PLAYERS AND HAVE HIT YOUR DIV SALARY CAP

now for some comedy

whats the salary cap vegeta
its over 9000.

I understood, I believe that our ideas are too different to find a consensus :-(

The only thing I'd like, but unfortunately it is not possible, it would be to hear your ideas if our situations were reversed .......

and while you think that player would destroy my player i highly doubt it, yes he would score more in a 1 v 1 game.

but this isnt a 1 v 1 game is it ? its 5 vs 5 .
how would your guy go in an inside only game of 5 on 5 ? my guy would beat you at that easily.

my little test with pass/defend only pg's has no bearing on your economy

and as this is what your posts are now about i can only conclude you have no actual argument against the FACT that teams in italy and spain have hit the cap and need to change how they play rather then ask for more money.

your player it's simply useless,no matter the type of player you are building.You are free to build a passer/defender type of PG,but a guard with pitiful-mediocre in JS-JR it's simply useless.If your player would be strong-mediocre/average in JS-JR you could say that you were building a good passer/defender PG,but this kind of player it's only weak

You don't know my lineup before the game,you don't know what players I will put on the field,and surely I would not put him as starter in an inside oriented game

But surely your player will never beat the mine.It's true that this is not a 1vs1 game,but your player will never win,also in an inside game 5vs5.When you have a player that can't score on the field,the circulation of the ball is however damaged a lot,because the GE surely won't give him the ball for a shot,and will have more difficulties to find a good shot for the team with only 4 real offensive options instead of 5 as a normal line-up give.So what you gain in the pure passing skill of a player,you lose in the general ball circulation of the team;if your player,also if passer/defender oriented can score a little bit(the strong-average level for example),you would have advantaged,but that's not the case of your player

My player not win everytime against your player(inside game 5vs5).But he never loses against your player.That's the difference


And your player training counts on the economy because if you train bad your player,you can't rise the level of your team or sell them for a good price,so you will never hit the cap...and if you don't hit the cap,your economical situation will be the same,and this means that we will continue to be penalized on the market,so it count if you train very bad your player

We hit the cap,ok.The point is not that.The point is that we are penalized from too much time in the only field we face off.We can't have any hope to find someone on the market to reach higher results?It's a sad idea of the game

And this situation is not going to be closed in reasonable time.So three are the solutions:
1-You improve your teams and rise up quickly your level so the situation is equal for everyone,surely without receveing other money from someone,but only with your abilities.It's the better soultion,but you don't seem to do something to do that soon or in reasonable time(do you need other 30 seasons?30 seasons are 10 years in the real life!)
2-Reduces your incomes,but it would be unfair,so THIS IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION(I wrote in capital,because if after that you will still say that we want to penalize you,it means that you would be in bad faith or simply stupid)
3-Improve our economical condition in some way,to end injustices against us at least in the short-medium time...and you could always reach us,because if you improve your level,you will improve always your incomes,so you can still catch up easily if you are enough able

What do you think is the best way to follow for everyone?If the solution 1 can't be used in reasonable time,I think would be better for you and everyone the third solution,if you can follow the 1 solution in reasonable time(in 3-4-5 seasons we have yet to see results in this case) it would be the best for all

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 7:22:01 AM

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Yo have explained very good your position. But I think that the complaints are about the incomes, and not about the interenational competitions.

The B3 is only one point where we can see the problem. Is the B3 fair? Well, as you said, this only affects only the 0'2% of the people, so it isn't a big problem. Maybe it could be diferent, with another design (there are some proposals about previous matches for little countries... ) but I am with you: it's a small problem

From 31/01/2010

Its pretty clear, its a problem if incomes.


Abouth we have hit the salary cap...


Show me numbers that we did it. How you know that its happenning on our country, do you have information i dont? Because i've scouted for a long time our communitty and i cant say if leagues have hit the cup or havent yet.

Its better that if you dont know exactly about you talking you dont say nothing.

The thing i really know is that lot of teams in Spain-Itally in medium divisions are losing money every week and lot of them are on red numbers.