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Why do you think that only your leagues have the same problem? Why isn't France or USA complaining? Different country leagues have different strength but that's not the point. Your objective is to win your league not to win against another country team, plus, someday other countries will also hit salary caps and then you'll be equal and in fact better cause you would have faced the salary caps problem and probably will know how to fight with it. The game is created not for only Spain and Italy and please live with this truth...

im over explaining it to you guys , you have hit your cap , i am informed i know what im talking about, the reason i asked those question was trying to get you to realise what im saying.

we need to catch up to you guys , limiting our income is not fair its that simple.

you are not forced to sell to survive if you need to sell players it means your doing something wrong , every team in your comp cant be in the red.
if they are then they are spending beyond there means which is bad managing.

what i have said is not false at all.
everything you have said is a game feature not an issue.

we will eventually catch up to you , at what pace we catch up to you is our choice as a nation, as competitiveness grows here we will get closer n closer to the salary cap, then we will be in the same boat as you and we will enjoy it.

and for the last time YOU ARE NOT PENALIZED ON THE MARKET , THE REASON YOU CANT AFFORD TO BUY PLAYERS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT GREAT PLAYERS AND HAVE HIT YOUR DIV SALARY CAP

now for some comedy

whats the salary cap vegeta
its over 9000.

I understood, I believe that our ideas are too different to find a consensus :-(

The only thing I'd like, but unfortunately it is not possible, it would be to hear your ideas if our situations were reversed .......

and while you think that player would destroy my player i highly doubt it, yes he would score more in a 1 v 1 game.

but this isnt a 1 v 1 game is it ? its 5 vs 5 .
how would your guy go in an inside only game of 5 on 5 ? my guy would beat you at that easily.

my little test with pass/defend only pg's has no bearing on your economy

and as this is what your posts are now about i can only conclude you have no actual argument against the FACT that teams in italy and spain have hit the cap and need to change how they play rather then ask for more money.

your player it's simply useless,no matter the type of player you are building.You are free to build a passer/defender type of PG,but a guard with pitiful-mediocre in JS-JR it's simply useless.If your player would be strong-mediocre/average in JS-JR you could say that you were building a good passer/defender PG,but this kind of player it's only weak

You don't know my lineup before the game,you don't know what players I will put on the field,and surely I would not put him as starter in an inside oriented game

But surely your player will never beat the mine.It's true that this is not a 1vs1 game,but your player will never win,also in an inside game 5vs5.When you have a player that can't score on the field,the circulation of the ball is however damaged a lot,because the GE surely won't give him the ball for a shot,and will have more difficulties to find a good shot for the team with only 4 real offensive options instead of 5 as a normal line-up give.So what you gain in the pure passing skill of a player,you lose in the general ball circulation of the team;if your player,also if passer/defender oriented can score a little bit(the strong-average level for example),you would have advantaged,but that's not the case of your player

My player not win everytime against your player(inside game 5vs5).But he never loses against your player.That's the difference


And your player training counts on the economy because if you train bad your player,you can't rise the level of your team or sell them for a good price,so you will never hit the cap...and if you don't hit the cap,your economical situation will be the same,and this means that we will continue to be penalized on the market,so it count if you train very bad your player

We hit the cap,ok.The point is not that.The point is that we are penalized from too much time in the only field we face off.We can't have any hope to find someone on the market to reach higher results?It's a sad idea of the game

And this situation is not going to be closed in reasonable time.So three are the solutions:
1-You improve your teams and rise up quickly your level so the situation is equal for everyone,surely without receveing other money from someone,but only with your abilities.It's the better soultion,but you don't seem to do something to do that soon or in reasonable time(do you need other 30 seasons?30 seasons are 10 years in the real life!)
2-Reduces your incomes,but it would be unfair,so THIS IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION(I wrote in capital,because if after that you will still say that we want to penalize you,it means that you would be in bad faith or simply stupid)
3-Improve our economical condition in some way,to end injustices against us at least in the short-medium time...and you could always reach us,because if you improve your level,you will improve always your incomes,so you can still catch up easily if you are enough able

What do you think is the best way to follow for everyone?If the solution 1 can't be used in reasonable time,I think would be better for you and everyone the third solution,if you can follow the 1 solution in reasonable time(in 3-4-5 seasons we have yet to see results in this case) it would be the best for all

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 7:22:01 AM

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Yo have explained very good your position. But I think that the complaints are about the incomes, and not about the interenational competitions.

The B3 is only one point where we can see the problem. Is the B3 fair? Well, as you said, this only affects only the 0'2% of the people, so it isn't a big problem. Maybe it could be diferent, with another design (there are some proposals about previous matches for little countries... ) but I am with you: it's a small problem

From 31/01/2010

Its pretty clear, its a problem if incomes.


Abouth we have hit the salary cap...


Show me numbers that we did it. How you know that its happenning on our country, do you have information i dont? Because i've scouted for a long time our communitty and i cant say if leagues have hit the cup or havent yet.

Its better that if you dont know exactly about you talking you dont say nothing.

The thing i really know is that lot of teams in Spain-Itally in medium divisions are losing money every week and lot of them are on red numbers.

You do know zyler trains his guards with high passing and OD in their early years so it gets done faster.
It does not matter if he has only pitiful JS. He is not done training him and can train that now, next season, and the seasons after.

This debate is about the economy and doesn't matter if you can or cannot beat someone else.

Solution 1- We do not have to hit the cap, blame the Chinese farms with millions of money in div4. This is not our fault in any way so we do not have to be penalized. Why do you want to buy more players any way? To improve? You are already at the cap and don't have to buy new players.

Solution 2- We will make as much money as we want too because there is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing illegal being done so why do we have to change?

Solution 3- If we only put money in your country then that is again, unfair. Why do you deserve more money than the rest of the world? Do you just want more power over us? IF the entire world gets more money then nothing will be changed.

Nothing can be done and this is how the game works. You can't fight it so DEAL WITH IT. We are all just trying to improve our teams but yours are already the best they can be.

It would not be better for zyler to train a younger player with the same or higher potential that could be more useful than the player he build in very short time,because to be really useful for him he neds to train his french player at least an entire season in jump shot and jump range,while in a season a 18 year old with decent starting skills(not all respectable,average-mediocre in main skills is enough) would be almost at the same level of an almost blocked by potential 20 years old?

Hitting the cap,means that you have a stronger team(surely with good skill/salary ratio players,if you buy a big man with legendary in shot blocking you are simply a bad manager).Is this a bad thing?Really?In the solution 1,we would be in the same actual condition and you will have better teams for you,while the unbalance in the market quickly close up.What is penalizing for you in that scenario?To have a more difficult and a funnier game to play?



Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/21/2010 7:43:05 AM

Its better that if you dont know exactly about you talking you dont say nothing.

The thing i really know is that lot of teams in Spain-Itally in medium divisions are losing money every week and lot of them are on red numbers.

Marot - you've said he doesn't know what he's talking about and then completely validated his point in the very next line.

When the term "salary cap" is being used here, it's talking about a sustainable income limit. Arenas are only ever going to get to a certain capacity, there's going to be a maximum income or "salary cap" at some point and because of the higher user base and competition in countries like Spain and Italy and because of the way that teams seem to have chosen to manage their teams, many of them are either making no money or losing money.

This is not a BB problem, this is a manager problem.

Let's say that Italy was give more money for example, this would simply increase your salary cap temporarily and managers would just buy more players or more expensive players and we'd be back here saying the same things all over again.

As another example, let's look at the BBB competition. ESV Laim is the #1 team in the game but is that because he has the most expensive team or because he has managed his team the best? The Boston Celtics are an Italian team who is top 4 in the BBB this season and seems to be doing just fine.

Once you hit your salary cap and no longer have regular profits coming in then you simply have to sell some players before buying new ones and then use training and tactics in order to advance.

This is just getting ridiculous... seriously.

As another example, let's look at the BBB competition. ESV Laim is the #1 team in the game but is that because he has the most expensive team or because he has managed his team the best? The Boston Celtics are an Italian team who is top 4 in the BBB this season and seems to be doing just fine.

Once you hit your salary cap and no longer have regular profits coming in then you simply have to sell some players before buying new ones and then use training and tactics in order to advance.

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BBB is not a problem,it's an excuse.ESV Laim and Boston celtics are great teams,the win because they are strong,but in the past won teams of small countries like Superfly and Toroo when Canada was in a much less competitive situation(Canada is became much more stronger now,their teams are competitive at least in the top divisions)